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Deborah-Leigh:
--- Quote from: gmik on September 29, 2010, 12:37:56 PM ---
Hawaii in February!!! What freedom to know that God is in Control!!!
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I can not hear that enough G! God,....our GOD is in Control!! THAT is so liberating!
Hawaii.......oh my oh my how beautiful!.....
blessings dear and gentle GRANNY! :) :-*
Arc
cjwood:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on September 29, 2010, 11:52:01 AM ---As women, we teach what we most need to learn! ;D :D ;D when it comes to sharing or showing what we believe and pointing to the Teachings or Words of our God, then I believe that is not being a teacher but a sister or as a mother to those we are to encourage. Certainly, taking authority and dogmatically teaching, is not for us to do. My conversation was just like yours with the youth who approached you. We speak from our hearts and share what we believe.
Your Mother’s voice in the storm of that young man sitting next to you on the plane is just what our Lord gave you and to him, as His Work prepared for you both to enjoy and experience. That you too felt the calm of His Spirit that is Peace is evidence you were in the will of God as He has Purposed...
I have only just recently begun to see that our voice ( the women folks) is to be just that, not leader of the troops, not manpower or swordsman, but mother, daughter and sister as our God is our God and our brothers in Christ do need us ~ that is our blessing, our gift and place...
Blessings dear mother and sister
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deborah, your post was most inspiring, especially the bolded statements i have shown above. our voice. feminine, sisterly, maternal. and always hopefully a voice of reason! :D
blessings to you too deborah, dear mother and sister. and to all the other sisters on the best forum on the internet!
claudia
ps. deborah, i highlighted 'swordsman' in blue, just to add that we women actually make pretty good 'swordsmen' when it comes to the Scriptures. 8)
Deborah-Leigh:
--- Quote from: cjwood on September 30, 2010, 03:42:46 AM ---
deborah, i highlighted 'swordsman' in blue, just to add that we women actually make pretty good 'swordsmen' when it comes to the Scriptures. 8)
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....you think??!! Okay...then let us reason together dear sister, mother, daughter of our most High and Glorious God...let me then take a more conciliatory stance for which I thank your urging me to this direction and....let us agree...the term then should be swordswomen! :D ;) :) ;D
I appreciate your insight shared and displayed with all gentleness and encouragement. :)
The children of the Kingdom are both swords men and women, Daughters and Sons of The Sword!! :) How's that? :D :)
Blessings sweet and dearest big sister
Deborah
acomplishedartis:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on September 28, 2010, 08:44:22 AM ---Believe it my dear brother. It is more for us than for them as we are to learn patience from their blindness, endurance from their persecution and Faith of Christ as we are scorned, rejected and refused.
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It reminds me of
Matt. 22:39 ''...Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.''
Quote of DIFFERENT LOVES Ray's Bible Study;
Agapao from the noun agape - love, can be intensified by doing it with all your heart, all your mind, all your soul, and all your strength. See, intensify it, make it greater than what the word itself means, important point.
Now, He doesn’t talk about the second commandment, the same as this, as you shall love your neighbor with all your heart, with all your mind, with all your strength. No, it doesn’t say that. No, that is not what He said.
Listen to me, I say this at every meeting we have virtually and I say it in my papers,
you have to pay attention to the words! You can’t believe how much is missed in the Bible, when people don’t look at the words. They think they know what it says... they missed it, they missed it in verse after verse, in hundreds of scriptures. They missed it, why? They don’t pay attention to the words. They just read a bunch of words and think, 'I know what that means.' No they don’t, not if you don’t pay attention to the words.
He didn’t say, love God this way and love your neighbor in the same way. He said you love God (same Greek word agape/agapao), agape your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength and might.
Agapao your neighbor as yourself... whoops what happened there? What happened there, that’s different?
Let’s assume you have nice neighbors, I have nice neighbors. When we moved here our neighbors brought us a big bowl of cookies and we share cups of sugar with our next door neighbor over here, Tammy.
But you could have a neighbor who is a wife beating, drug dealing, God hating, you know, monster for a neighbor. Now, does God want you or tell you, that you have to love that wife beating, drug dealing monster, with all your heart, with all your mind and soul, does He tell us that? NO! But I can see some self-righteous preacher giving a sermon saying, 'well yes you have to do this.' No you don’t.
'Well, how are you suppose to love your neighbor?' As yourself! You put yourself in the equation.
'Oh well, I wish my neighbor would give me a million dollars.' Well then you have to give your neighbor a million dollars... You got to love them as yourself. But I don’t expect my neighbor to give me million dollars or even ten dollars. And for that reason I’m not going over this afternoon and give him ten dollars. Can’t you see that.
But I might want to go over there and borrow his ladder, because I don’t have a long ladder. Just like he comes over here and borrows some of my electrical drill stuff. That’s good, it’s good we do that. But if you don’t know what your talking about, you can get stupid with this.
Now then, do you run into contradictions in 2 Corinthians?
2Cor 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?
v. 15 What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever?
v. 16 What agreement has the temple of God with idols?"
People always use this as referring to a wedding. "Don’t be unequally yoked" together with somebody who doesn’t believe in God. Well, that would fit. But that’s not what it’s talking about. That’s just one application of it, don’t be unequally yoked together with people like this.
Well, my next door neighbor, is not a wife beating, drug dealing, you know, monster. So I can be yoked together with him, right. No! He doesn’t believe these truths.
My neighbor told me one day, if he caught, a particular race of people, stealing something... how he would dismantle their body with a baseball bat. Now I thought whoa, this man could get to be a little rough, you know, if he just caught someone in his backyard. That’s not me. I don’t think like that. I’m not going to be yoked to that. So we don’t go out together. No, we don’t go out to bars together or out to dinner together. You know, I don’t get into his crowd. I have no intention of going out with him, why? Don’t be unequally yoked together!
Then how can you love him as yourself? Contradictions isn’t it? No, it’s not. How can I have nothing to do with him and love him as yourself? I’m going to show you.
and a little later;
So now I can see some better distinctions. It, agape, is a complex emotion, arousing appreciation or delight in and desire for the presence of it’s object; as well as to please and promote it’s welfare.
Now here is the word phileo. We understand the word Philadelphia, the city of brotherly love - Philadelphia. It means to be fond of, responsive, affection based on approval and regard. That’s a little complicated, basically it’s this. God of love -agape, is a one-way street, God loves, He gives. It’s not based on whether the ones He gives it to, loves Him back.
While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us, right. Why? Because He loves us, “for God so loved the world.” That includes all these drug dealing, wife beating, God defying people. He so loved the world, did they love Him back? No, very few people love God back. It’s a one-way street... He loves. He’s the One that loves, not getting anything back for it, He loves.
But phileo love, is where two people are fond of each other and they’re responsive to each other. It has to do with affections, based on the approval of the one you’re giving out to, you see. Why are people friends? Because they reciprocate, right.
Bob and I go to lunch once a week. If we didn’t reciprocate in how we think and talk to each other and build up each other when we are down, then I think that would come to an end rather quickly.
Seriously, when you have a close friend, is that somebody that never shows you close affection? I don’t think so.
A close friend, a phileo, a friend that reciprocated, it’s a two-way street. Although God is agape, you would say that’s the ultimate. But it is not as intimate as phileo. All my life I heard this pyramid of love. At the top there was this agape, the ultimate. Is it really?
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Claudia,
Well said, all you said.
Also, even so I haven´t no been on many forums on the internet, it is good to know that you consider it the best one. At list regarding tehological matters!
Deborah-Leigh:
It is most gratifying, Moises, that the Spirit of God is urging you to recall what He has told you and is reminding us of as you post again the differences between Agape and Phileo Love.
Especially that this Truth is so important to Spiritual discernment! It is VITAL to help us not get bruised or scuffed against stones and thorns of shallow un-spiritual ground!
We certainly do have to treat one another as we ourselves would be treated. Yet how is this to occur if we are blind, and in a spiritual condition that can not of itself, receive, believe or even love the Truth of God. God tells us not lightly ~ 1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. ~ and the Spirit is God’s to give as God occasions.
So how are we to treat ourselves when we interact with the blind, dark, callous souls of carnality not yet given the Spirit to discern the things of our God? What this helps me into understand is:
Heb 12:3 For consider Him that endured such contradiction of sinners against Himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
The above became of particular importance to me as I began to feel the weight of the Truth that the blind do not see as Ray has so clearly stated for us in one of his papers! Simple, True, but Oh so very difficult if you don’t believe it!...and you think you do because it is common sense...yet down deeper than you think...YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT! :D
How easy is it to see Satan snatching the Word as soon as it is planted? How easy is it to experience that thorns choke His Word and shallow stony ground just doesn’t let anything of the Word of God, to flourish and grow. It is painful to that point where one has to consider HIM that endured such contradiction of sinners against Himself….and accept, realize and agree with what God has said, that shallow, thorny stony ground that is by His Plan and Purpose, unfruitful. So by understanding, that comes only by the Spirit of God ( L Ray Smith) we faint not, under false expectations as painfully we are to experience that our most desperate longings and desires, and prayers to the contrary, we are, as stated by our God, powerless to defeat or thwart, change or correct that the shallow, stony ground will ever be given to produce fruit of His Spirit. It is necessary and very painful fact..…soul destroying….to observe this truth in action, that those seeing, do not see and those hearing don’t understand and to endure the pain to go on, fainting not at the words of Truth given by our Lord through which He is bringing forth patience and making known His endurance.
Luk 8:15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.
The contradiction of sinners spoken of in Heb 12 : 3 is that which was endured by Christ, which is the carnality of those who prefer the old and not the new, preferring to resist rather than receive the Spirit of the Lord in the admonitions and insights given. This is the work of God to reserve to everyone the experience of resisting His Will until He gives the change of heart.
The Truth of the Lords Word that Luk 8:5 the fowls of the air devour and.as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.
This is what I we have to experience happening. If we are to be the good soil then even if the world is awash in milk….
Luk 8:8 And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit a hundredfold…..the good ground is within 8) for the Kingdom of God is not outside it is within ME, YOU, US not least of all RAY! and othersbeing caused of our God to be bearing fruit a hundredfold! Humans are not the fruit! Patience is! Numbers of
followers is not the fruit. Endurance is! Popularity is not the fruit. Obedience is! Frustration is not the Fruit. Love is and this all contrasts with and to the kind of fruit that we bear within! We know ourselves by the fruit we bear.
The temptation to faint and to spiritual weakness is in bearing up after seeing and experiencing the sorrow and disappointment and getting over and past the pain of being offended by the fact that the Word of God sown on the waysides of carnality, will not bear enduring fruit of His Spirit, EVER and this fact is not to defeat our well doing it is to strengthen us to discerning from up close, at home, within, the difference between Phileo and Agape Love.
Your contribution is very important Moises because we all have to learn how to treat and interact with those who are still in the dark….without us fainting under the weight of that darkness. Knowing the Truth of discerning the difference between Agape Godly Love and Phileo Love is critical to not being caught in the cares of the world.
Blessings
Arc
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