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physical pain/emotional pain and judgement
wonderment:
If God uses physical pain in the present life to judge us and for us to "learn righteousness" then how will most people come to God in the hereafter if they will be spiritually judged (in the lake of fire)? I'm sorry if this question is confusing but I'm basically asking if God can judge us without the physical suffering and he can do it with emotional suffering only then why does there have to be any physical pain? And if it does require physical pain for us to learn righteousness then how will the non-believers be judged in the lake of fire if spiritual fire can't physically damage a spiritual being? Hope this makes sense, let me know if I need to clarify things a little bit more...
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: wonderment on October 09, 2010, 02:16:09 PM ---If God uses physical pain in the present life to judge us and for us to "learn righteousness" then how will most people come to God in the hereafter if they will be spiritually judged (in the lake of fire)? I'm sorry if this question is confusing but I'm basically asking if God can judge us without the physical suffering and he can do it with emotional suffering only then why does there have to be any physical pain? And if it does require physical pain for us to learn righteousness then how will the non-believers be judged in the lake of fire if spiritual fire can't physically damage a spiritual being? Hope this makes sense, let me know if I need to clarify things a little bit more...
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Ecc 3:1 To everything there is a season, A time for every purpose under heaven
Not all judgment requires physical suffering, but all judgment requires spiritual chastisement. The purpose of judgment is to learn righteousness, to learn to obey and do what is right at all times and under all conditions. That does not always need to be taught through physical sufferings. A parent does not need to spank their child for every lesson to be learned, only when it is necessary.
Hope this helps,
Marques
arion:
--- Quote from: wonderment on October 09, 2010, 02:16:09 PM --- And if it does require physical pain for us to learn righteousness then how will the non-believers be judged in the lake of fire if spiritual fire can't physically damage a spiritual being?
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Those that are not the elect are not raised in the resurrection with a spiritual body. They are resurrected as flesh.
--- Quote ---Hi Ray,I’ve been in the forum and read one of your email replies where it’s implied that the elect will be resurrected with spiritual bodies and the wicked will be resurrected with physical bodies.
I’m really not seeing this, so I’m asking you for help. I don’t know if the answer to this should be longer than an email, but if you can tell me where this statement comes from, maybe I won’t be confused on the matter.Your friend,
Beau
Dear Beau: It is only the "we"--the believing elect of God that will be resurrected with spiritual bodies (I Cor. 15:42-54). Hitler will not be resurrected with a POWERFUL, GLORIOUS, SPIRITUAL BODY! (I Cor. 15:42-44. Those with these GLORIOUS bodies are the "we" of verse 49, not the wicked and unbelieving who will be resurrected to JUDGMENT.
God be with you,
Ray
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,6244.0.html
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At this link is a categorized list of emails to Ray that has been provided for us and there is a whole section on the two resurrections.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3108.0.html
Kat:
Like Arion said the resurrection of the dead/second resurrection will be back to a physical life, where they will be place on this physical earth to go through judgment/lake of fire. Ray wrote a short article on this 'Physical or spiritual Resurrection Bodies For The Wicked & Non-believers?' at this link http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7474.0.html
We are learning many spiritual lessons in this physical experience of life, it is the spirit within that is teaching us now. The people resurrected back to life will again be put through a physical experience in which they will learn righteousness and it will be the Elect reigning with Christ that will enforce His rule on earth.
Isa 30:20 And though the Lord gives you
The bread of adversity and the water of affliction,
Yet your teachers will not be moved into a corner anymore,
But your eyes shall see your teachers.
v. 21 Your ears shall hear a word behind you, saying,
"This is the way, walk in it,"
Whenever you turn to the right hand
Or whenever you turn to the left.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Deborah-Leigh:
Eze 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
There is a “Judgment on the House of God now” and the future Day of the Lord that shall come upon the whole earth .
Blessings Arc
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