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God's punishment/chastisement in the LOF
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Arion on October 18, 2010, 10:22:47 AM ---I was listening this morning to one of the Nashville 2005 tapes and the following is from the transcript that Kat has done...
--- Quote ---.....And let me tell you something, the scribes and the Pharisees never taught a doctrine this damnable. And you listen to Jesus Christ. He called them everything but…(I won’t say it). And they never taught a doctrine half, a tenth, not a billionth as evil as what the church is teaching today. I’m telling you, this teaching of hell is the ultimate blasphemy. There is no greater sin that any human being can think or do than to believe that the God that they worship will actually torture their mothers and fathers and some of their sisters and brothers and relatives in real fire for all eternity. It’s the ultimate sin. And they think they are doing God a favor by teaching this. No they’re not going to be tortured for all eternity, because we are teaching against that, but wait until you find out what their punishment will be. It will blow you away.
John Hagee teaches that if a dove were to take a fine silk scarf, put it in its beak and fly over the Rocky Mountains, and as it flies over the mountains it would just caress the top of the granite peak, and then fly back the other way and just caress the peaks with this hanky, that by the time (he would keep switching hankies) and he would wear the whole Rocky chain of mountains from Mexico to Canada into a valley, your punishment in hell had not even yet started compared to eternity. So this man has thought about it. You won’t believe what his punishment is going to be. I could hardly believe it, but you’re going to learn that God is just. I mean He is so dead on, there’s nothing arbitrary about what and how God does things. You can’t say, well aren’t you punishing this person a little too much and this one not as much, I mean, I would think for what he did he should…(etc.)
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3709.0.html
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I'm wondering if Ray has every expanded on this at all anywhere else. He appears to have some insight into God's 'making the punishment/chastisement' fit the crime. There is a scripture that addresses it but still leaves it pretty nebulous.
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
I would just add as a reminder that none of us are allowed to teach here and my idea of what this means might be different than yours and discussions on things that the scriptures don't really deal with seldom bear good fruit so I guess I'm just asking if anyone is aware of Ray having dealt with or expanded on this a little bit more or for any who were at that conference if you can think back did Ray expand on this and it didn't make the tape? I could email Ray but with as many he gets and with everything he's dealing with I don't think I would get an answer back from him.
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Christendom teaches the world that all unbelievers are destined for an eternity in real fire called Hell/Lake of Fire. As the many scriptures testify, God will repay the wicked by their own works. Henceforth, the Christendom ministers and followers will find themselves in the very fires that they condemned on everyone who doesn't believe & think as they do.
As Ray teaches in LOF Part 16-E, this fire is a spiritual fire. It purifies God's Elect the same way it will purify the wicked/unbelieving.
Gehenna fire is the furnace of fire, the unquenchable fire, the everlasting [Gk; eonian/age-abiding] fire, and the lake of fire, as we just saw proven by Scripture.
And this fire by five names is God's Judgment:
upon His disciples (Matt. 5:22, 29, 30)
upon the Pharisees (Matt. 23:33)
upon the chaff (Matt. 3:12)
upon the spiritual goats (Matt. 25:32 & 41)
upon trees which bear no good fruit (Matt. 7:19)
upon the spiritual tares (Matt. 13:40)
upon all the WICKED (Matt. 13:49-50)
All these five "fires" are the same one fire, and this fire is the "Consuming Fire" of God that JUDGES BOTH US AND THE WORLD. And it is clearly stated that "The lake of fire IS the second death" (Rev. 20:14 & 21:8 ). The lake of fire is JUDGMENT, and the lake of fire is the second death. Therefore: the SECOND death IS GOD'S JUDGEMENTS UPON BOTH THE WICKED AND THE ELECT!
Hope this helps,
Marques
P.S. This installment of LOF was finished after that 2005 conference. Not sure if that makes any difference, but just an FYI.
arion:
Thanks to everyone for their comments and for expanding on what was presented. It just seems from what Ray had said here that something specific was revealed to him vis a vis his comments 'wait until you find out what their punishment will be. It will blow you away.' and 'You won’t believe what his punishment is going to be.' I'm kind of curious exactly what Ray had in mind here when he said this but of course then this is something that only he can answer. Thanks again everyone!!
eskimojerry:
I read in one of Rays articles about that...I forget where. But I believe that the verse that he expounded on was... Mat 7:2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged,...I'll look for it in Rays articles, maybe I can find it.
Deborah-Leigh:
--- Quote from: Arion on October 18, 2010, 08:02:55 PM --- It just seems from what Ray had said here that something specific was revealed to him vis a vis his comments 'wait until you find out what their punishment will be. It will blow you away.' and 'You won’t believe what his punishment is going to be.' I'm kind of curious exactly what Ray had in mind here when he said this ........
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To have the Mind of Christ, we can see that “their punishment” as Ray was discussing, is NOT going to end in a pagan hell that is savored, idolized and cherished by hell spitting radicals of Harlot Babylon. To think that the worst of sinners is going to be corrected is just too much a leap in faith for hop along Babylonians making up their doctrines at every wind of change they encounter. No. Even Satan is going to be purged corrected and repented! Take that to a Babylonian and watch the fire burn…it will blow you away if you don’t understand!
Arc
Deborah-Leigh:
~Psalm 107~ blows me away! :)
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