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waarheid77:
"We can will ourselves to act, but we can not will ourselves to will." Albert Einstien

Free will is part of the illusion of seperateness

Ken

Dave in Tenn:
Even if we can will ourselves to act, we cannot will ourselves to act right. 

Deborah-Leigh:
Psa 22:29  All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.

Hi Ken

As smart as Albert was...he got the first part of that quotation WRONG...

This is edifying to me.  As brainy or intelligent as God decides to make any human...including Solomon with all his Wisdom...it is not ENOUGH to outsmart God....even Solomon WITH his Wisdom...couldn't OBEY God...and did not please Him.... :(....

Your post is a great catalyst Ken, to really believe what God says is TRUE.....God doesn't mince His Words. He means it! What is so extraordinary...almost funny...is that God doesn't let things get out of hand in our imaginations of what would happen if we had no controls to our will....just look at the world around us....to see what would happen and does happen when we have our own way....now I feel like a kitten who got the knitting!! ;D :D Lil.....just now Grape is going to come in here and see what's going on!!!! ;D :D :)....

We can not, by God's Decree, Wisdom, Knowledge, Power and Love, we CAN NOT will ourselves to do anything! :D :)...NON can keep alive his own soul...much less decide when the heart should expire or begin beating. That's a very good thing that God puts the limit on us like He does.  8) :)

God controls it all!..us all...even the kitten and the Einstein that should falsely believe that a man can will anything to happen and go out and say so!!!ooops :D ;D :) ;D....that the scriptures might be fulfilled

1Co 3:19  For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. ...Albert will wake up one day...to the deafening roar of our laughter maybe...and God shall speak to him...... 8) :) ...........

Things can get side splittingly funny....hold your sides... 8) ;D :D :D

Blessings


Arc

Kat:

It seems to me that maybe Einstein did know a bit about 'no free will' as the first part of his statement gives man's perception "we can will ourselves to act." "BUT" second part of his statement indicates the truth "we can NOT will ourselves to will.'

Here is a statement I found that he made and even though he was not a believer, I do believe he had some basic knowledge of truth, just from intelligently observing the world.


A question to Einstein about religion. Do you believe in God? “I’m not an atheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the language in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn’t know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws, but only dimly understand these laws.”

Is this a Jewish concept of God? Einstein replies “I am a determinist. I do not believe in free will. Jews believe in free will. They believe that man shapes his own life. I reject that doctrine. In that respect I am not a Jew.” (Einstein His Life and Universe, Walter Isaacson, p. 386).

Interesting, this brillant man could not deny what was very evidently observable in the world.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Deborah-Leigh:

That is a beautiful quotation Kat...

No offense meant towards Albert...

One of the quotes I most admire that Al. said is this

You can live in one of two ways only.

As if nothing is a miracle or as if EVERYTHING is a Miracle!

So ~ please accept my bravado Albert... :D ;D :) you really were a work of God's wonderous creation showcasing sensitive regard for the laws of our God  8) :)....

Kat...as I read what you quoted Einstein as having said quote : "We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws, but only dimly understand these laws.”..it made me come to this

1Co 13:12  For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

I believe Albert might agree… :).... then I saw THIS! 8)

But we all…. :).....

2Co 3:18  But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Blessings

Arc

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