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nightmare sasuke:

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--- Quote from: rocky on July 06, 2006, 09:32:31 PM ---So what goes into the Lake of Fire?? Soul??

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Spirit + (spiritual) body = (glorified immortal) soul, goes into the lake of fire.

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Here is what i struggle with, Spirit (capitalized, meaning Holy Spirit) plus a spiritual body = glorified immortal soul goes into lof, but yet is carnal??? makes no sense to me. a Carnal glorified immortal soul???

The carnal mind is death. Is not the lof, the death of death??? so seems to me the carnal mind has to be in LOF

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The bodies the sinners are resurrected in are immortal, that's what glorified means, I think. You can be immortally carnal, look at Satan.

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I personally think that the soul and carnal mind coexist together, and they only exist in the flesh (flesh plus spirit), and I don't think we are resurrected a soul. 2nd Adam is a life giving spirit, not a soul.

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Is there scripture that says we will be resurrected an immortal soul??? Comparing satan to our resurrected state i don't think is a good comparison, satan never was resurrected, and I don't think satan is an immortal soul.

I just struggle with concept of a carnal soul after the resurrection. I don't think there is scripture to back it up. If there is, please let me know. thanks.

To be carnally minded is death. Are we resurrected into a state of death???

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You could argue that since a soul = spirit + (fleshy) body, that resurrected bodies are not living souls, because they are not composed of fleshy bodies, but spiritual bodies.

I don't know.

We're not spirits alone, though, we have spiritual bodies.

orion77:
Hello Lightseeker,

The whole chapter of John 17 speaks of this oneness. Here is a few of them:

(Joh 17:21) that all may be one, as You are in Me, Father, and I in You, that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

(Joh 17:22) And I have given them the glory which You have given Me, that they may be one, as We are One:

(Joh 17:23) I in them, and You in Me, that they may be perfected in one; and that the world may know that You sent Me and loved them, even as You loved Me.

I believe it was chuckt who brought this chapter up in a past thread. The greatest prayer ever. That chapter is an awesome read. 8)

God bless,

Gary

rocky:

--- Quote from: nightmare sasuke on July 07, 2006, 05:39:49 AM ---
--- Quote from: rocky on July 07, 2006, 02:16:49 AM ---
--- Quote from: nightmare sasuke on July 07, 2006, 01:47:44 AM ---
--- Quote from: rocky on July 06, 2006, 10:27:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: nightmare sasuke on July 06, 2006, 10:03:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: rocky on July 06, 2006, 09:32:31 PM ---So what goes into the Lake of Fire?? Soul??

--- End quote ---

Spirit + (spiritual) body = (glorified immortal) soul, goes into the lake of fire.

--- End quote ---

Here is what i struggle with, Spirit (capitalized, meaning Holy Spirit) plus a spiritual body = glorified immortal soul goes into lof, but yet is carnal??? makes no sense to me. a Carnal glorified immortal soul???

The carnal mind is death. Is not the lof, the death of death??? so seems to me the carnal mind has to be in LOF

--- End quote ---

The bodies the sinners are resurrected in are immortal, that's what glorified means, I think. You can be immortally carnal, look at Satan.

--- End quote ---

I personally think that the soul and carnal mind coexist together, and they only exist in the flesh (flesh plus spirit), and I don't think we are resurrected a soul. 2nd Adam is a life giving spirit, not a soul.

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Is there scripture that says we will be resurrected an immortal soul??? Comparing satan to our resurrected state i don't think is a good comparison, satan never was resurrected, and I don't think satan is an immortal soul.

I just struggle with concept of a carnal soul after the resurrection. I don't think there is scripture to back it up. If there is, please let me know. thanks.

To be carnally minded is death. Are we resurrected into a state of death???

--- End quote ---

You could argue that since a soul = spirit + (fleshy) body, that resurrected bodies are not living souls, because they are not composed of fleshy bodies, but spiritual bodies.

I don't know.

We're not spirits alone, though, we have spiritual bodies.

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A few more questions i'm trying to sort out, related to spirit, soul, flesh; and body. Something i've been thinking about and trying to understand is the raised spiritual body. Do we each get our own spiritual body, or is there only one spiritual body, and we are a member of it???

Ephesians 1:22-23, "And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way."

1 Corinthians 12:27-28 also says, "Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.

1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1Co 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

1Co 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many.

1Co 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

So is their only one spiritual body, Christ, and we being a member of that body. Or at a later time (at the resurrection), are we separated from the body of Christ, and given our own glorified body???

Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Eph 1:23 Which is his body, the fullness of him that filleth all in all.

Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Lightseeker:

--- Quote from: orion77 on July 07, 2006, 09:00:45 AM ---Hello Lightseeker,

The whole chapter of John 17 speaks of this oneness. Here is a few of them:

(Joh 17:21) that all may be one, as You are in Me, Father, and I in You, that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

(Joh 17:22) And I have given them the glory which You have given Me, that they may be one, as We are One:

(Joh 17:23) I in them, and You in Me, that they may be perfected in one; and that the world may know that You sent Me and loved them, even as You loved Me.

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I see where you're coming from scripturally and see why you're saying it. I guess it's still a little weak for me to embrace though. Not saying it's wrong mind you, just not sure I see it that way and it isn't something to fuss over IMO. Thanks for your scriptural response though bro. ;D

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