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lostANDfound:
i have a question about how to take the psalms of david in light of the fact that at his death he was not converted. as ray points out he wanted his enemies to be killed- and make it bloody!
so here is where i am- do i read them as if all of davids "Lord, make my enemies suffer" type statements are further evidence of his unconverted state, whereas all of his "the Lord will make you strong" type statements are to be counted as true and take them to heart?  if so, is there a simple way of knowing how to sort it out? 
or am i way off base?

EXAMPLE OF "Lord, make my enemies suffer" type statement:

psalm 35:7 Since they hid their net for me without cause
   and without cause dug a pit for me,
8 may ruin overtake them by surprise—
   may the net they hid entangle them,
   may they fall into the pit, to their ruin.
9 Then my soul will rejoice in the LORD
   and delight in his salvation.

EXAMPLE OF "the Lord will make you strong" type statement:

psalm 37:39 The salvation of the righteous comes from the LORD;
   he is their stronghold in time of trouble.

mrl1970:
Take these verses into account
Matthew 7
1Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Those who hide their net and dig a pit in psalm 35:7 shall be entangled in the same net and fall into the same pit in verse 8

This is a prophecy of the White Throne Judgement if i'm not mistaken.

Deborah-Leigh:
That Mercy Scripture is a great Scripture to believe mrl1970  :)

Your question is excellent LostANDfound! :)

The book of Job  presents a large section of dialogue from the friends of Job who came to console Job in his grief and agony. Yet the Lord had this to say of them:
Job 42:7  And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of Me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.

The Proverbs, Song of Songs and Ecclesiastics were primarily written by King Solomon who failed to walk in God’s statutes, and execute His judgments, and keep all His commandments.

Non of the OT characters were converted. I think Ray nails it.

If you cannot identify yourself, personally, with all the stories and accounts in the Old Testament, then you have not even begun to overcome all the carnality that you are. Ref:Truth 8 ~ Twelve God given Truth’s to understand His Word

Blessings
Arc

G. Driggs:
What helps me to sort it out is knowing everything written in the Old Testament was written for our admonition. Some of what we read encourages us, and some of what we read warns us not to make the same "mistakes" they made.

1Co 10:6  Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

1Co 10:11  Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

It also helps to know none of the OT prophets will be saved without the help of the Elect.

Heb 11:39  And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40  God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

It seems the OT prophets knew a little something about God's Elect, and why it had to be the way it was for them.

1Pe 1:10  Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1Pe 1:11  Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
1Pe 1:12  Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

I was looking for that quote from Ray that Arcturus gave you, and she is right about Ray nailing it.

Hope this helps, or maybe I'm way off and do not understand your question. If so...... forgive me.

G.Driggs

lostANDfound:
i am reminded often that i prayed for help in humbling myself.  (sigh)
so mrl1970, are you saying to take everything as true prophecy, but not as an example as HOW we are to think?  in other words we should accept the words as true prophecy but reject the attitude of wishing evil on our enemies?  this is kind of what i was getting at, hope i'm making sense.
and that is a very good quote for me to keep in mind, arc and g.driggs, in more ways than one. 
i feel like a kid walking amoung giants here, so very far to go...and grow.

thanks, vicki

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