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Jo.2:4 Is there a disrespect?
Nan:
Judy and John,
My grown children don't want to hear what I have to say, either and I have a much better relationship with them now that I keep my opinions to myself. Although it is hard sometimes - kinda like watching a train wreck.
I also, with my carnal mind wondered (past tense) about some of Jesus' sayings. In addition to the one discussed here, let the dead bury the dead and His brothers and mother were those who follow and obey Me(paraphrase).
I was afraid to join the forum for years because I wasn't sure I understood teh rules.
daywalker:
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None that I can recall, perhaps another member can find an excerpt.
I was still waiting your response as to what you thought the spiritual significance of Jesus' response regarding the wine...
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I understand the number six is the number of man, and is for Adam/man. The pots were for washings/purifying (law) which had 2 or 3 firkins; 2 is the number of witness and 3 is the number of completness. There was a happening (witness)and there would be a completness, yet with partial understanding.
Jesus said fill the water pots with water and they filled them to the brim, here we have complete filling to the brim which represents a complete work, but the washing of the water(law) was past and a new washing was presenting Himself. The wine, the best wine was now offered to the Governor (leader/religion) and represents the cleansing power of the Blood of Jesus. The washing water is changed to wine(blood) the cleansing power of the Blood of the Lamb. The cleansing and regeneration, the renewing for the new man.
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Not intending to start/continue a numerology debate, but from what I have learned from the Scriptures (and I believe Ray teaches this too), the number for completeness would be 7, not 3.
Gen 2:2 And finishing is the Elohim, on the sixth day, His work which He does. And ceasing is He on the seventh day from all His work which He does. The Creation period was now complete.
Exo 21:2 When you buy a Hebrew servant, six years shall he serve you, and in the seventh he shall go forth free gratuitously. The servant has completed his time.
Lev 25:3 Six years shall you sow your field, and six years shall you prune your vineyard and gather its yield.
4 Yet in the seventh year there shall be a sabbath of cessation for the land, a sabbath to Yahweh. Your field you shall not sow, and your vineyard you shall not prune;"
Rev 1:19 Write then, what you perceived, and what they are, and what is about to be occurring after these things:"
Rev 1:20 the secret of the seven stars which you perceived in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands. The seven stars are messengers of the seven ecclesias, and the seven lampstands are seven ecclesias." As Ray teaches in his Lake of Fire, this speaks of the WHOLE Ecclesia of God, not just the 7 in Asia.
Rev 3:1 And to the messenger of the ecclesia in Sardis write: 'Now this He is saying Who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars: '"I am aware of your acts, that you have a name that you are living, and are dead." Representing THE Spirit of God. (Obviously, God doesn't "have" 7 spirits, seeing that He "IS Spirit" John 4:24)
Perhaps the number 3 may have something to do with judgment or penalty:
Jon 1:17 And Yahweh is assigning a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah is coming to be in the bowels of the fish three days and three nights. His penalty for disobeying God.
Mat 12:39 Yet He, answering, said to them, "A generation, wicked and an adulteress, for a sign is seeking, and a sign will not be given to it except the sign of Jonah the prophet."
40 For even as Jonah was in the bowel of the sea monster three days and three nights, thus will the Son of Mankind be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights." Paying the penalty for our sins.
...But I am no expert in biblical numerology. ;) Hope this helps.
Christopher 8)
dave:
I have read that 3 and 7 were both a number of completeness, still you make a good point. One of the reasons I have felt that 3 was a number of completeness, 1) out of the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses, 2) was the teaching that man is made up of body, soul, and spirit, which I no longer believe. Man is made up of body and breath and IS a living soul, showing that man does not have a soul, again man is a soul. So I can see you point about 3. Thanks.
Ricky:
I had heard many years ago that God made life and everything in it by the #3, water has 3 elements to it, air has 3, and so on. Has anyone heard of this.
Ricky
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Joel ~
The man who concluded that the meaning of the number three, is quote “perfect” might have been influenced by our dependence on the Scriptures to ferret out the truth that we believe only the Word of God can qualify. We cannot ask him how he arrived at three meaning PERFECT, because as you say, he has since died.
Perhaps it is closer to the truth to say that three more fittingly refers to a section, chapter, segment, division or part, which is total?
I hope you can see that, we mean no disrespect or offense to the man you knew who gave talks on Bible numbers. God saw fit to bring before us berens to study, discuss, measure and evaluate in open desire for edification, exercised discernment and blessing to apply what Ray teaches that we all pay more attention to the words!
I have one regret. I believe that the man you once knew as a youngster, who found great passion to study the meanings of numbers, was not with us in the PM lines, to discuss his passion in relation to Biblical standards.
I believe he might have been delighted to study with us and he certainly would have been most welcome!
Blessings
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