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moxicarose:
  I have read several of Ray's papers, and email Q&A's, multiple times. I'm actually in the process of reading through the LOF again, because it's so long, and I feel like I missed a lot the first time through just for the sheer fact that I began 'gobbling' it up after the first two papers... :P At first, I was rather cautious, and looking for any reason to call "non scriptural" on anything Ray writes..but as the past couple of weeks have gone by, I have yet to read anything that I can't go and CONFIRM by reading the verses or entire chapters he references. I am sensing God's holy spirit as I read, and my heart is filled with joy. Something that seems to be confirming to me even more that I'm headed in the right direction, is the resistance I am already facing...

  I had the opportunity to talk with my mom, which doesn't really happen too often. I told her that God is turning me upside down and really working on me in a big way. She was curious to know more, and by the end of the conversation, we had discussed the doctrines of Eternal Torment and the Trinity. I had Ray's words and scripture references there in front of me, so I wasn't completely shooting blind, but it still was pretty rough, because she's my mom. She reinforced everything that the churches we attended, and basically taught me all I knew before. Ultimately, it ended alright, in that we didn't hang up angry..but I was really surprised by the bite in some of her retorts to the little bit of Ray's teaching I shared. She actually told me that Ray must be writing his own Bible, because she said that God revealed the Trinity as truth to her without any teaching from a church. She mentioned Abraham and the three strangers in the desert, and said that she knows one of them was Jesus. Well, I have yet to look up the account of that in the OT, but I don't expect it to sway me from my now belief that the Trinity is false. On the doctrine of Eternal Torment, she said that she doesn't like the idea either, but God can not have evil in His presence and so He is going to do away with it. She said we can't argue with the scriptures, and that it is blasphemous to question God's methods of punishment. She also said that it is absolutely ridiculous to believe that God will actually save the entire human race, because then Jesus death was for nothing, and believers have no reward! I think what surprised me about that, is that I had actually already told her that I agree with Ray that the elect are the few chosen who overcome now and reap the reward of being in God's Kingdom. Anyway, her responses, coupled with some major heavy questioning my husband is having with all of this change in me, is proving to be a bit of a weight on my blossoming hope. I have asked God to give me His strength to face these things, knowing that this is nothing compared to what I may face in the future as I grow in these truths! I am wondering, though...How do you deal with it? I do not intend, or want to go around attempting to derail everyone else's comfy system of beliefs, but the ones closest to me are already getting a bee in their bonnet over just being aware that I am changing my mind..:P

Dave in Tenn:
In case you haven't seen this yet:

http://bible-truths.com/souls.htm

How do I handle it?  Poorly, when I've tried.   

There's no member of my family or reasonably close friend who isn't at least marginally aware of my change of thinking.  If anybody cares or is concerned or curious, they haven't thought to talk to me about it.  I can say the same thing about myself--I wasn't searching for anything but a few minutes of entertainment and diversion when I stumbled onto B-T and the Cornerstone.  It's a supernatural thing to have the scales fall away.  As John said, it's God's work.   

mharrell08:
FYI: We have a FAQ board that touches on this subject:

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11572.0.html

Kat:

Hi Jessi,

The thing is that most Christians have been learning what they believe since childhood in the church. They have built their false beliefs brick upon brick into a huge building of fallacy. Now when you come along and point out that some of this is wrong, there is no way for them to take out that which you say is wrong without the whole thing collapsing and that is the last thing most of them want. You see they can not be given a bit of truth and expected to understand it, it simply does not fit together with all the rest of what they have come to believe. They are comfortable in their false beliefs, besides everybody else they know (except you) believe the same as they do.

You know that when you came to this truth it was absolutely necessary for your false house built on sand to fall and a great fall it was (Matt 7). It is a process to come to know this truth, tearing down the old and building a brand new building on the Rock. We know that this is impossible for a person to do on their own, for this to happen God must call them out of their delusion. It takes an absolute miracle from God for blind eyes to be opened and see this truth and for most of the world it is not yet their time.

John 6:44  No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him...

You have already given them something to think about, now wait for them to come to you with a question. Realize they do not have all the information that you now have to understand what you are trying to say to them. God has opened this great and wonderful truth to YOU, so continue to study...

2Tim 2:15  Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

And when someone comes to you with a question...

1Peter 3:15  But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

Another thing is you will actually be sharing this truth with them all the time, in the way you live.

Mat 5:14  "You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden.
v.15  Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.
v. 16  Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Samson:
Hi Moxicarose,

I Posted two Emails and Answers from Ray regarding the telling and sharing with others about the Truths taught here at Bible-Truths below in blue color. Certainly, I understand Your desire to acquaint others(Family Members, Friends, Work Associates, etc.) I have that desire to tell others the marvelous truths found here and having that desire is okay, as long as the motive doesn't include a personal self importance or to elevate oneself through some perceived superiority that We feel we have. I had a recent phone conversation with Kat(Forum Moderator) & John Popovich(Forum Member) mentioning my desire to share these truths with others, expressing that my motive was because: " I enjoy and love to share these wonderful truths." With that said, If an opportunity arises, keeping 1Peter. 3:15 at the forefront, I will make the effort. With everyone else(99% plus), the best Sermon is how you conduct yourself and treat others. Be the best Daughter that you can be towards your Mother. You can only plant a seed, only God can make it grow. I'm afraid to tell you, but what Dave from Tenn, John from Kentucky have stated in their Posts, ARE THE FACTS AND THE REALITY. It's especially hard for me, coming from a Denomination that excels in preaching, Historically speaking, to zip the lip and bite the bullet, so as to refrain from pushing the Truth. Anyway, Read Rays Emails below in color blue.

   
Beast Within
« on: May 26, 2008, 05:44:50 PM »
   
I just got done with your beast within article.  and at the end it asked me if i was getting the picture yet.  well i am emailing you to tell you yes.  i am getting the picture.  ive been getting the picture for a while now.  it started a while back for me when i formulated the idea that Gods plan was involving all of mankind.  those verses that said things like every knee shall bow, and christ is the savior of all men, especially those who beleive.  i also was starting to understand that God was responsible for everything that happend.  i remember reading that god is the potter and we are the clay,  he molds people into vessels of wrath, and vessels of mercy.

         
        i was beggining to become very excited about my new revelation of these scriptures and i tried to share them with other people, but they told me i needed to read my bible and pray more.  they told me that i was wrong.  and they told me to stop spreading my ideas.
         
        i am very glad that i have found your web site.  ive been reading for a couple weeks now and everything that you say is completely logical and scripturally sound.  i would like to thank you for all of the research and studying that you have done.  everything is becomming extremely clear to me.  your web site has been an amazing resource.
         
        i feel like ive finally found something that is very profound and true.  i feel like ive been set free by the truth.  im very happy that God has chosen to reveal these things to me.
         
        ryan
         

        Dear Ryan:  I'm afraid we have all learned the hard what the most people have no interest in the Truths of God WHATSOEVER.  They love religion, but not the Truths of God. There has to have been a good reason for Peter to admonish:

        1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man THAT ASKS Y-O-U  a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

        There's the key: only give an answer to those who ask YOU, or are definitely interested.

        God be with you,

        Ray
   

   
Witnessing?
« on: July 05, 2007, 06:37:01 PM »
   
        Dear Ray,
         
        I've been studying your web site and would like to ask you a question.
         
        I am a 45 yr old Hispanic woman whose husband is mentally ill. We've been married for 25 years and raised 2 well adjusted children {they now in serve in the military -Iraq-but as civilians they are a pharmacist and aeronautics engineer}, the trials of mentally illness has over time tried to take it's toll but we've always let God steer the direction we take and as long a we've been married it's always been that way. We're still growing strong and if it weren't for God's direction and protection, outside forces would have taken us and our marriage out along time ago.
         
        Over the last 20 years of our marriage a lot of sacrifices were made, my professional career for one. I stay home to take care of my husband, but during this time I try to serve God any way he sees fit. I am an advocate for the mentally ill, physically handicapped and the elderly. I work from home and all of my services are free. I advocate in situations were federally funded agencies fail in provided services, and since 2003, my services quadrupled. Many of these individuals find it amazing that I do what I do for free and wonder how in the world we survive on what my husband's income provides. I simply answer that out heavenly Father takes care of our needs, and he does, with out a doubt. So here is my shame:
         
        I study God's word and make do with what wisdom he allows me, so when I reply that Father takes care of us, there is always this overcoming feeling that I'm not saying enough. Like enough credit isn't being given of my Heavenly Father. I take every opportunity to share his precious gift, but that feeling, it's always there.
         
        Over the years, I have witnessed to many people, especially the down trodden of the mentally ill. Of those, they try in earnest to learn more, I give what I have in the knowledge that was given to me and am always careful to back it up, I just never know if it is enough. I'm not looking for kudos, just the knowing that I gave what they needed to hear. I don't know why I was chosen to do this but it never fails, people come to us when it's the worst time of their lives, and witnessing always comes up. We don't pursue witnessing but it never fails, these people want to hear.
         
        I can never tell if this is what they need in their spiritual life. I can't find any concrete verses in His Word to know this. Where can I look?
         
        Engratis,
         
        Esther
         

        Dear Esther:  In 1Peter 3:15 we are told,  "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"
         
        This is really the basis for the best way to answer anyone. You cannot be persuasive unless what you tell someone is something that you yourself are living and experiencing.  You need to tell them about the "hope that IS IN YOU."  The them how you feel about God and about how you live your life for God, and there can be no better witness than this. If your faith is solid and your life is an example of godly living, then it will have an effect on those you comfort.
        God be with you,
        Ray


Hope this Helps, Samson.

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