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There's this ONE thing....
GaryK:
“These truths that I am presenting here are "creed busters."
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“Boy I’m telling you, learn a couple of things and then stick with it. Don’t ever give it up. You will be surprised. Then you can’t be pulled aside with every wind of doctrine.”
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“Once you learn a spiritual truth, don’t ever let it go. If you haven’t learned it yet, you tend to be a little wishy washy. But once you learn it, don’t ever let it go.”
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Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Is it the ‘free-will’ thing that did it? Maybe it’s the ’12 truths to understanding’? No wait. It’s the ‘Exposing the secret rapture theory’? It’s ‘The Beast Within’ isn’t it? No? Maybe it’s ‘The two judgments by fire’? The forum and members and all the sharing and learning, that’s it, isn’t it?
For you, which is it?
At one time not long ago, before BT, I was so sure of ‘my’ faith in God that I remember praying to God..”God, you can test me like Job and I won’t fail you, I’ll never deny you, I’m solid”. I was that sure. I was full. I just didn’t realize at the time what I was full of. Sounds like pride, doesn’t it, maybe that too, but that isn’t the ONE thing God was going to show me that I really needed.
A few years back I had a friend walk up to me one day, she was crying. I asked “what’s wrong?”. She said, “I want what you have! I said what? And she said that faith ‘you’ have. I said to her….‘go to church and you’ll find it’. But in my soul I remember my thought at the time, “you have a long way to go”. Isn’t that pathetic? Don’t answer that, I already have the answer.
Fast forward to early 2007, my world suddenly took a 180. The rock that I thought I had been standing on was, poof!, gone. I was pretty sure the devil had done a job on me, you know, a rebuttal from God where I said “I will never deny you God, test me like you did Job”.
Enter L. Ray Smith and BT. BT began destroying everything I once believed, piece by piece, little by little. Soon enough everything was just lying in a pile of scrapped junk. Where was ‘MY’ faith? What happened to ‘MY’ faith?
Isn’t that the journey? We lack something so we begin searching. For us lead to BT Ray begins to, little by little and piece by piece, spin us around until we’re a bit disoriented, but elated? And then the build up begins?....one thing on top of another, and so on. Ray and Dennis present so much. But, there’s that ONE thing, that piece that is more of an understanding challenge than any other? That special piece, if you can just get that one piece, it will make all things that Ray is sharing fit more snugly? That ONE thing that is the base that must be really, really understood, really, really learned, for you personally, so that all the other truths can rest upon. For me and for the longest time I thought it was the free-will thing. That’s a biggie. But that isn’t it. I still struggle with FW. I struggle with all of it. But there’s this ONE thing I don't seem to get.
And that’s what this topic is about. That ONE thing. And it, the one thing, may be different for you, not so much to adjust to it, but that which crumbled your life long held false belief that gave so much relief to you after coming to BT?
THE SCRIPTURAL PROCESS OF CONVERSION
The truth of conversion is a simple one, if we believe the Scriptures and don’t try to bring it about by some phantom free will. It is all of God. How do the Scriptures say we become converted? Does an ounce of "free will" enter into the conversion process according to the Scriptures? "I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith OF the Son of God [not faith ‘IN’ the Son of God, but the very faith ‘OF’ the Son of God—it is His faith, not ours until He gives us some of it]Who loved me, and gave Himself for me" (Gal. 2:20). It is not by the ‘free will’ of our faith that we live, but the by the faith OF Jesus. There is no human free will in all this.
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“the faith OF he Son”
“but the by the faith OF Jesus”
“There is no human free will in all this.”
So what’s the ONE thing that has broken my belief system down like a jigsaw puzzle missing one vital piece and without it nothing fits?
"OF"
Boy, such total chaos and confusion and struggle a little itty bitty two letter word has caused.
But without “of”, there is nothing.
2Co 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
So, do you have a ONE thing?
Care to share?
Dave in Tenn:
Gary, for me it was the revelation of the Gospel of the Kingdom...many are called, few chosen. Before B-T I had no clue what 'all this' was about...the meaning of life.
Mat 13:10-17 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
All of Matthew 13, indeed.
It's not that I thought I was (or immediately desired to be) one of these 'elect' folks. It was just that all of my stupid life--religious and unreligious, shallowly moral and deeply immoral--snapped into focus. This is HIS creation. He's doing HIS work. This sewage ditch of a life I've been wallowing in happened for HIS glory. God is Love.
GaryK:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on December 15, 2010, 03:18:23 PM ---Gary, for me it was the revelation of the Gospel of the Kingdom...many are called, few chosen. Before B-T I had no clue what 'all this' was about...the meaning of life.
Mat 13:10-17 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
All of Matthew 13, indeed.
It's not that I thought I was (or immediately desired to be) one of these 'elect' folks. It was just that all of my stupid life--religious and unreligious, shallowly moral and deeply immoral--snapped into focus. This is HIS creation. He's doing HIS work. This sewage ditch of a life I've been wallowing in happened for HIS glory. God is Love.
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So true Dave and thanks for sharing. Another biggie. Before BT I don't know that I ever paid attention to 'many called, few chosen'. I don't recall ever SEEING those words. ;) Total gloss over. So many many important things, and such re-inforcement to Ray's 'pay attention to ALL the words!'.
gk
AK4:
For me it was the free will thing and the trinity and then everything started falling into place. I remember in the myth of freewill series Ray saying this
--- Quote ---By the time you finish this paper you will either start to hate this verse in Phil. 2:13, or perchance you will for the first time, begin to believe it.
Jesus certainly wanted us to see the Truth of what He is telling us:
"For I came down from heaven, not to do Mine Own will, but the will of Him that sent me" (John 6:38).
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Looking at it now Ray addresses both the freewill and trinity right there [although at the time i didnt see it debunking the trinity also]. It took the longest though for me to unlearn the trinity. I would be at work everyday listening to the Nashville conference video trying to understand till one day, after hearing the same video probably 100 times, one verse that Ray said destroyed the whole trinity concept for me and Jesus finally revealedunfolded the Father to me. Here is the part when Ray said it and my eyes [literally and spiritually] where opened
--- Quote ---One of the most powerful things we have to learn in the Scripture is that no man has ever seen God or heard His voice. You have just got to believe that. It says that over and over, so you got to believe it. If you don’t, well then you will think Jehovah is God the Father and you will have all these crazy things, that aren’t true. It’s a major truth. We have to find out who the God of the Bible is. "No man hath seen God at any time (John 1:18)." Is that clear!
John 5:37 And the Father Himself that sent Me, He hath borne witness of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His shape.
1 John 4:12 No man hath beheld God at any time…
There it is again. So when Abraham entertained 3 ‘men’ and Jacob wrestled with this ‘man’ he said, "I’ve seen God face to face, and lived to tell about it (Gen. 32:30)." He did not see God the Father and I don’t believe he saw Jesus Christ, either. He saw a representative from God, in the form of a man. It was a man and yes it was sent from God and it was all powerful and all that. But it plainly says, it was a man, in all those cases it says it was a man. It’s the same word man, when it says woman was taken from man - aw-dawm (Gen. 2: 23).
Once you learn a spiritual truth, don’t ever let it go. If you haven’t learned it yet, you tend to be a little wishy washy. But once you learn it, don’t ever let it go.
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Oh how true it is. Once you learn a truth dont ever let it go and from that point on i never let it go. Well those are my two.
In Jesus
Anthony
Felix:
Hi Gary
For me it was, "I have no ability unless God gives it to me". I don't have faith or anything else unless
God gives it to me. Why should I worry about things because it's all up to God. When I was a teenager
I was very tall and skinny. The kids made fun of me. Looking back I shouldn't have felt bad about that
because it was all of God, I didn't have anything to do with it. Now, how can I be puffed up about
any accomplishment or anything because God has given it to me.
Felix
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