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Marky Mark:

--- Quote from: HoneyLamb56 on December 31, 2010, 08:28:34 AM ---I continue to marvel at the insight of everyone on this forum; once again I have gleaned something from reading this thread that I had not paid attention to before or had forgotten what I had read. 

Has anyone thought about what minds one will have when raised in the judgment?  Will one remember his old life (memories); how will one know how carnal they are to go thru the judgment by the elect if they don't remember?  Does one start a new?  I don't get the resurrection from this perspective.

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Email response from Ray...

http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1733.0.html

Dear Craig:

Yes, of course, what we have learned in this life will be carried over to the next. If not, what would even be the purpose for living a human life in the first place?   It is the preparation and regeneration and conversion and being begotten anew from above through the Holy Spirit of God that is the prerequisite to entering the Kingdom of God. "Study to show yourself approved ['qualified'] unto God...." (II Time. 2:15).

God be with you,

Ray


Peace...Mark

geokuhns:
Great thread Samson. All posts were very good especially Kat's and Terry's. I believe part of Samson's intent was to show that unbelievers will be resurrected with physical bodies rather than spiritual bodies at the White Throne Judgment. There are some groups that believe that unbelievers including such despots as Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Stalin etc. will be resurrected with spiritual bodies to face the White Throne Judgment and their Lake of Fire. Both Samson and Terry quoted from Ray's article on this subject and for those that would like to read or print it out in it's entirety here it is.

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7474.msg59437.html#msg59437

Samson:

--- Quote from: George Kuhns on December 31, 2010, 01:24:14 PM ---Great thread Samson. All posts were very good especially Kat's and Terry's. I believe part of Samson's intent was to show that unbelievers will be resurrected with physical bodies rather than spiritual bodies at the White Throne Judgment. There are some groups that believe that unbelievers including such despots as Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Stalin etc. will be resurrected with spiritual bodies to face the White Throne Judgment and their Lake of Fire. Both Samson and Terry quoted from Ray's article on this subject and for those that would like to read or print it out in it's entirety here it is.

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7474.msg59437.html#msg59437


Yes George,

You have perceived correctly about My intent to show a distinction between God's Chosen Elect receiving Spiritual Bodies with the ability to manifest themselves in the Flesh, just like Jesus did during the Forty Days after His Resurrection and receiving Immortality in contrast with Everyone Else(Called, Unbelievers, Extremely Wicked, etc.) Resurrected with Physical Bodies. Glad You noticed that !

Other Universalist Groups, based on my past investigation of them seem to be confused about the above distinction. Opponents of Universal Salvation sometimes get the impression that Extremely Wicked Individuals as mentioned by Ray in My initial Post(Stalin, Hitler, Mao, etc) would immediately receive Immortality upon being Resurrected. Perhaps this Misunderstanding is based on the Eventual Salvation of all belief in general. In a debate I once watched on You-Tube with Gary Amirault(Tentmakers) discussing the False Doctrine of Eternal Punishment with "Professor" Jerry Walls, He(Gary Amirault) inadvertently said Hitler was going to Heaven. Of course We know this to be false. Hitler needs to be cleaned and purified of His Carnal(Fleshly thinking) first.

Unfortunately, Sometimes Our Site gets lumped together with what other Universalist Sites teach, so I wanted this clarified for Guests and some of Our Newer Members.

                                 Kind Regards, Samson.







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markn902:

--- Quote from: Terry on December 27, 2010, 09:32:31 AM ---
Thanks Samson for your post I just can’t get past this one thing though, the elect will be raised Spiritual and not flesh and blood I get this,
But the rest, all the rest will be raised with or in a physical body flesh and blood just as they had when they died so what I’m trying to understand is will these in the physical bodies when they go through the Lake of fire and repent receive spiritual bodies as the elect or keep the flesh and blood physical bodies that they were raised with and live on without the worry of death anymore I wish I could put down on paper what’s going on in my head.
Since the elect will reign and rule during this time it’s seems as if they will be Gods new Government over the rest of the second resurrection but for how long or forever I don’t know.
I feel like a dog chasing his tail right now so I’ll leave it here for now and maybe pickup on it later,
Blessing
Terry


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Terry
I have wondered the same thing before as the bible is not exactly clear. (IMO about this one thing) I think about Rev 10:4  "And, when the seven thunders had spoken, I was about to write, and I heard a voice out of heaven, saying—Seal up the things which the seven thunders have uttered, and do not write, them."
And I believe it was Daniel who had a similar vision and was told not to "seal it up" I think they both had to eat it ( I might be mistaken about Daniel I'm sure someone will correct me) so apparently there is more to the story and we will all find out at the appropriate time  :) The good news is after learning the truth from reading Rays papers and the countless great posts by everyone (such as mharrell08  ;) ) I don't fear that day. Whatever it is that will happen will be awesome and I HOPE to be a part of it.

Great post Samson and I mean it about the good work Marques I appreciate it

Mark

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