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Craig:
Very timely Marques and a much needed reminder. 

1 Cor. 8:1  Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.

We are all still beasts and most of us have learned much and have become puffed up. (me too)

I know most have been hurt by the religious system, but most who are in it need charity and understanding; even when we do feel like we are pounding our head on a brick wall.  The ones who lead these masses and know they are wrong or only do it for personal gain is the ones that our righteous anger should be pointed too. 

So to my original question, is this church heading in a right direction?  My answer is yes.  Do I want everyone to rush there and join? No.  I'm sure they have many bad beliefs still, and we are admonished to come out of her.  But it is refreshing to see a hulk of a ship like religion make a small course correction to the right heading.  Who knows what God has in store for this church or any of us?  The leaders of this church are rightly seeing something is amiss in their world, like we once did.  What if these people looked in on our forum and saw us running them down?  Wouldn't do much for them to want to be like us huh?

Folks, we have been called out, but don't ever think we are any better.  The knowledge we have been given is no better than a pile of dung if we can't apply it in our lives.

Craig

DougE6:

WOW. Those last two posts, By Craig and Marques, building on what was written by Ninny, are truly words that are free from carnal superiority, they represent the heart of Christ. Thank you for posting those.

Deborah-Leigh:
Human lives are dysfunctional. Isn’t dysfunction the state of all physically aligned associations that share the same space with the higher spiritual realm of God’s Kingdom among us? Dysfunction ~ the Lot of the flesh.

Christ reigns supreme over heaven and earth. There can be nothing of Him in association to death and mortality. He is Spirit and Truth, Life and Love. He has conquered death and mortality, dysfunction and error. You know this. It’s elementary.

HE, Jesus Christ,  caused me,  last night, to ask on behalf of my husband, for HIS help in whatever, however way, HE sees wise and fit, to His Mercy. HE, Jesus Christ, wasn’t standing in the flesh before me, telling me to pray for my husband. No. The motivation, impulse and cause came from within me. The motivation to pray comes from a designation of my relationship that is God declared of and over me towards my husband..... thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Gen. 3 : 16 To pray for my husband then, is by God’s design.

Carnal men have no idea how to rule over their wives.

I am clueless as to how to prescribe to God. He has shown me a depth of ignorance. There are many depths of many ignorance’s.
I asked God for help. He is a Royal King in Sovereign Command of every move of every star orbiting every space in the Universe and in the makeup of our own atomic structures that bind us inside physical carnal flesh.  There is no Mercy in flesh.

I am asking God to remove false feelings of security based on physical well being and supply. Have you ever experienced an empathy driven stake through your body? Ha...Have you never felt the sting of an injection to anesthetize pain? No? Personal expectations and needs don’t make the Universe go round. Does anything nice ever happen to you? I don’t expect Him to make me physically ill to cause my disassociation to physical bondages. Have a Heart. His Heart and His Kingdom as He prescribes is what life is all about. Thine is The Kingdom come.
Where’s your sound mindedness? Oh. Ranting of a pained mad woman? Really? Have you no pain? Have you no heart? Have you no peace of love and kindness? No? Are you paralyzed? Yes? Are you in a sound mind that exhibits no feeling and compassion or recognition of what drives pain and fear?

Call a spade a spade for once in your life. Leave the hypocrisy alone.

I know seductive, cooing balms of self idolatry. Is this God talking? If so, to who does He speak? You? I? Or are you too perfect to know? I’m not. I know its God, so kill me. And He does! He does! He kills the Beast within. His is the Throne that shall be occupied by His Glory and Power, Authority and Grace, Mercy and Great Love. The beast, yours and mine will die and shall be no more. Can you feel the pain? So did HE. His pain wasn’t any beast dying in His soul. It was our beast killing our salvation and placing His blood in defiance, upon our reptilian skins of cold vacant, clammy self aggrandizements. Too shocking is it. Nothing shocks Him! He knows everything and every deep dark secret of everyone.

Nothing  gets past Him. He gets it. He gets us. He gets that everything and everyone is all about us, who rile against any little thing that threatens our self hypocrisy. Yes. It is that deep, that the green stale life of horror needs to be drained out of our lungs from every orifice of our putrid bodies. Oh I am not speaking to the genius ingenuity of our God who has crafted our muscles, sinews, veins and flesh into a vessel of supreme mastery of physical anatomy. No. I speak of the orifices of the carnal soul. The orifice is not the genital or sensual gaping bottomless pit, but the orifice of carnal destructions and self impalements. The getway escapes to delusion and whimpering darkness. Does nothing shock you? 

I have listened far too long to the self-espoused hypocrites of radical delusion. Tell me pride comes before a fall and I’ll let rip like Christ with the whip turning over tables in His House of Prayer because you trade His words and His standards upon others whilst you inflate  your own sense of worthiness upon the sufferings of others. God will be God inside every writhing, hypocritical, foolish, drug abased hypocrite and He will set straight His Kingdom with or without you prancing your titles and aggrandizements on the world’s best selling news reports. Great is the desire for healing.

Do you want to be with Him and not without Him?  The job of correcting the dregs of society when He comes to rule with a rod of Iron is for those who are understanding the job description is not a walk in the park. It is one that guarantees success in absolute resolute integrity to what is Holy. It is one that requires such deep cleansing that even the cockroaches will go to church voluntarily and it won’t be the carnal church of dying flesh. Can you laugh? No?

Are you squeamish? No? Feel every feeling. Receive every beating heart as yours.  Put on the TV and see the wrought pain of those you will never meet in the flesh but will meet when they ask you how long your feeling lasted when you saw their eyes poked out and their children given over to sex trade and drugs. Did you cry then? You will. You will. Your own salt of the sea of tears will cleanse your deep stony hearts.

Haven’t you cried? Ah. Where’s your pride that comes before your fall dear? Aren’t you the same as all flesh? Can’t you see the error in you is the same one in all? Fool. What a fool, all have been.

Oh I don’t beat myself up. No. I prefer to beat you up in the hope of My Glory. Isn’t that the way you know best how to behave in this rabid deafening to senses society of giant wills to escape pain? Break down all the questions. Line them up and answer.  Pain is such a clean experience by contrast to the breaking apart un-cohesive corruption that is queasy  soft, abjectly spineless and deeply self hypocritical. A mucky mushy mess is the stony heart of the glutton, the aimless hopelessly lost soul of the destitute. Does nothing shock you yet?

Where is Jesus in all this? He is right there on the cross and He gets off the Cross but not before the eyes that are relishing  His death.
He overcomes the worst in you and me and all the world and He does it out of sight, out of mind and out of  His Heart piercing the heady self glorifying crowds who coo to death and purr to spiritual poverty to their own demise. He authors it ALL.

The god of flesh’s liking and making,  fits  carnal narcissism. Too bored, not enough energy to look up that word, are you? You refuse to learn and defy teaching  yet your own Teacher, that is sent of the Christ Spirit, tells you, begs you, implores you to pay attention to the words. This one doesn’t come out but by what...prayer...and fasting is the addition of those who want your meal ticket. There is no sacrifice for sin that has not been paid in full.  Have you got a Dictionary? Have you got legs? Can you get up and take up the mat of self excuses and languishing self sorrow  and ego? Take up your mat of indulgence and walk. Only when you are dying can you really start living. Get up to God. Get up to the speed of the Spirit of Christ in you. Do I talk to myself? Have you not heard?

 This  god of all flesh has bowed before emotional scars, yesterdays,  hurts, grief’s, failed ambitions,  less than glorious victories and most of all,  defeats, hidden issues with destruction and effortless agony that overwhelms the broken hearted.  Have you got anything like that beautiful? Well handsome?  Have I not performed spiritual plastic surgery of the slouch, the sloth and the fearful of the one True God that says He will burn all the defecations of the world up and He will leave clean what is filth.  What a Powerful, Masterful God we actually have, you and I. Father is GREATNESS personified in the Face of Christ our consuming FIRE<He burns off the veils of carnal flatteries, ambitions and look good pontifications.

Oh you want scripture and verse do you. You fool. The Scripture is not the Word of God. The Word of God is Christ in the beginning. The Scriptures do testify of Him, they are not HIM. You want a fight. You want to take out Timothy 3 : do you? Go ahead. What Bible has ever made a person whole, repented, and saved. Not one. Did Christ convert anyone in his earth time ministry? You know He didn’t.

 Hundreds and thousands of Bibles out there.  Over 30 thousand different stages and podiums of the flesh speaking Pharasiess to choose from. Pick your dress. You have so much variety. Like to sing. Go to the Pentecostal. Like to look holy. Go Catholic.

 Only the Spirit, the Living Spirit of God in you can set you free. His Kingdom that the Scribes and Pharisees prevent from connecting to the living spirit of Christ and His Kingdom among and within us. Yes it is. It is.

He is the Spirit that is gagged, bound, broken, pierced and crucified that is supposed to be in you as His Death you share, crucified. Where are you reading this. In the comforts of the job, family and life He has given you for He gives to both good and evil. Who are you. Where are you?

Ring the alarm. Am I teaching. No. I am crying. Can you still not hear? The time for teaching has left  my bones, body, and veins. I am crying. Can you cry. Can the salt of your own wounds burst open and hear His Voice in you that is His Mercy speaking, His Love loving and His Spirit Healing you. He is the Teacher of His Pain, His Love and Victory He brings in you. What can I teach you if you think, with that sound mind you so admire. Think. God is a God of the Living. Am I dead?

 HE shall remove the stain of destitution, prostitution and revolution. HE will get to the nitty gritty of the heart of stone that is within and He with His Victory,  burns through trash to re make what is broken, useless and worthless to Him. He will remake what is spoiled and trashed and bent and corrupt.  Got any trash beautiful?  Call the Ghost buster. His name is Christ and His Kingdom is Light that is way too bright for misty eyes that love the dark. He has appeared to some within. Why wouldn’t He? His Kingdom is within.

That’s got to be some victory don’t you think you pride filled muffin of tragedy. Oh you think I am talking to YOU. No I’m not. I am not talking to YOU. Ha....were you offended?

A heart of stone can’t beat.  It can only hate. God can and will be loved with every beat of our hearts.  Sooner  or later, He will be the epitome of everything we love, admire and desire and represent.

Do you know what it means when something hurts so good? Check His Kingdom out. It IS within.

Blessings of His Kingdom and His Royal Majesty

Yours Truly
Deb

Craig:
I know just where you are coming from John.

Craig

GaryK:

--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on December 27, 2010, 01:50:25 PM ---I perceive we are all talking past one another.  I do not think we have any fundamental disagreements.  We are just considering this matter from different perspectives.

I have only one reaction to any religion or religious teacher.  I despise them all (the Pope and Billy Graham and the Dalai Lama included).  I immediately pick up on the errors they all teach.  I tune them out and turn away.  I have been this way for the past ten to fifteen years since I left my former church.  I cannot even remember the exact date I left (maybe around 1998?) because I was like a bird freed from a net.  I flew away and kept on flying as far and fast as I could.

I am still in shock and awe that I stopped and read and studied the information on the BT website in October 2009.  I cannot believe that I attended the Mobile bible conference in November 2009 since I cannot abide religious things.  What Ray taught just struck a cord in me.  I perceive that what is taught here is the real truth.  The real deal.  Knowing myself, it amazes me that I'm still here studying and listening.

For what it is worth, I do not think that I am one of the Elect.  There is too much evil in my dark heart. But I have this abiding curiosity at what the Father is doing.  The Father is so amazing and fascinating.  It is a strange work that He is doing.  The Master Potter is forming us all for a specific purpose in His Grand Plan.  We will all be happy where He puts us because we will be where we are meant to be.  I wonder if we will ever fully understand the Father.

--- End quote ---


You're being very kind John, different perspectives maybe....maybe not, but I sure couldn't tell it from a few 'perspectives' in this thread.

gk

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