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male and female ?
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Dave UK on January 08, 2011, 09:27:17 AM ---Hey Joe
It's good to see you posting again.I look forward to your future contributions
Dave
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Hi Dave,
Thanks for the very kind words!
Peace,
Joe
newborn:
--- Quote from: gallenwalsh on January 07, 2011, 04:14:00 AM ---Does anyone have any insight as to why we are made male and female if indeed as I understand things we will be neither male nor female in the spiritual realm, all relationships as we now know them will be dissolved and all will belong to GOD.As I now understand things there is both motherhood and fatherhood in our GOD. Does anyone think weather we are male or female one day we shall all be both ? ( that is to know both motherhood and fatherhood).We all contend with each other whether male or female in this life it seems just to me that any pride of the flesh would be dissolved including gender as well as any ethnic pride or personal achievements and fleshly sentimentalities.Can't wait for that day.
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There is no male and female in the spiritual.
God just wants us to picture having a "family"
Christ answered in the new testament (i dont remember the chapter and verse)
Someone asked Christ, "Where are your brothers and sisters?"
Christ answered, "Anyone who does the will of God is my brother and sister"
Clearly Christ is not making any distinction between man and woman.
It really doesn't matter...
You have to forget anything physical because spiritual is different.
IT'S IN A WHOLE NEW LEVEL.
Hope this helps ;-)
--remo
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: newborn on January 08, 2011, 02:58:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: gallenwalsh on January 07, 2011, 04:14:00 AM ---Does anyone have any insight as to why we are made male and female if indeed as I understand things we will be neither male nor female in the spiritual realm, all relationships as we now know them will be dissolved and all will belong to GOD.As I now understand things there is both motherhood and fatherhood in our GOD. Does anyone think weather we are male or female one day we shall all be both ? ( that is to know both motherhood and fatherhood).We all contend with each other whether male or female in this life it seems just to me that any pride of the flesh would be dissolved including gender as well as any ethnic pride or personal achievements and fleshly sentimentalities.Can't wait for that day.
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There is no male and female in the spiritual.
God just wants us to picture having a "family"
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Hi remo,
Although it is true there is no male/female in the spiritual there is indeed a Bride and a Bridegroom... The male/female union in the physical is a shadow (an incomplete picture) of this ultimate truth. Yes, God (Father & Son) does want us to picture this as a family, His Family to come, in which Christ is the Bridegroom and His elect (no matter of physical gender) is His Bride. Eventually this spiritual union/marriage will bring to (spiritual) life all of God's creation.
--- Quote from: newborn on January 08, 2011, 02:58:31 PM ---
Christ answered in the new testament (i dont remember the chapter and verse)
Someone asked Christ, "Where are your brothers and sisters?"
Christ answered, "Anyone who does the will of God is my brother and sister"
Clearly Christ is not making any distinction between man and woman.
It really doesn't matter...
--- End quote ---
I believe you are referring to Matthew 12:47-50 & Mark 3:32-35;
Mat12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
Mat12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
Mat12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mat12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Mark3:32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
Mark3:33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
Mark3:34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mark3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
Actually Jesus does differentiate between "brothers & sisters" in His reply, but not limiting this relationship to bloodlines...
--- Quote from: newborn on January 08, 2011, 02:58:31 PM ---
You have to forget anything physical because spiritual is different.
IT'S IN A WHOLE NEW LEVEL.
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I do not think it prudent to "forget anything physical" as Christ Himself came in the flesh and the the natural (physical) comes before the spiritual giving us all an example (albeit "through a glass darkly") of His plan and purpose for us all. The prophets and Jesus Himself gave us spiritual examples to follow while in a physical/natural state. (John 13:15, Hebrews 8:5, James 5:10, 1Peter 2:21) without them how could we be directed to the spiritual truths we yearn for?
Please take this response in the spirit it is given...
Peace,
Joe
Linny:
Joe, great to see you!
Thank you Samson, that was a wonderful find.
And Walt, thank you as well. I do not feel slighted by God in any way. Your friend is bitter and who knows what has happened to her that has put her in this place but she rails against the wrong foe. Our enemy is always man and the beast that lives within us. As I always tell my girls, angry people are hurting people.
I found a great article about how Jesus treated women and it helped me tremendously see how much He went against the norm when He walked amongst us.
aqrinc:
Hi Joe, great to see from you brother.
This may not be conventional wisdom, but there is no difference between women and men, at least not as far as Scripture is concerned. We were never complete (but divided) after Gen 2:27, but that is definetely not how we started. The son of mankind (compound) is described very differently than what we keep hearing repeated by christendom and so many others.
Where in Gen 1:27 does it say that it was 2 different people, one male one female created. Note the words used (in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them). This reads like each created being was both male and female, not 2 different unisex beings.
Gen 1:27 (CLV)
And creating is the Elohim humanity in His image. In the image of the Elohim He creates it. Male and female He creates them.
Next God Formed Adam out of the dust of the earth.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Now God Says that Adam needs a companion.
Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Here below is the first instance when (man and womb-man) are two physical entities.
Gen 2:21 (CLV)
And falling is a stupor on the human, caused by Yahweh Elohim, and he is sleeping. And taking is He one of his angular organs and is closing the flesh under it. 22 And Yahweh Elohim is building the angular organ, which He takes from the human, into a woman, and bringing her is He to the human. 23 And saying is the human, "This was once bone of my bones and flesh from my flesh. This shall be called woman, for from her man is this taken.
This appears to be the son of mankind reunited as one below.
Rev 1:13
(AKJV) And in the middle of the seven candlesticks one like to the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the breasts with a golden girdle.
(ANT+) andG2532 inG1722 [thing] middleG3319 [of] theG3588 lampstandsG3087 {I see} [him] likeG3664 sonG5207 [of] manG444 having wornG1746 [him] longG4158 andG2532 having been wrappedG4024 atG4314 theG3588 breastsG3149 sashG2223 goldenG5552
(CLV) and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like a son of mankind, dressed in a garment reaching to the feet, and girded about at the breasts with a golden girdle."
May be worth the time to really listen to and read all the words, just like Ray has always counseled.
george :o.
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