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male and female ?
hillsbororiver:
Hi Everyone,
This will be my final post on this thread, it appears only Kat can see the type/shadow significance of the male/female in regard to Christ and His church, the fulfillment spoken of in the verses I quoted from Revelation (and others) earlier in the thread.
It would appear that Paul also used this analogy in Ephesians Chapter 5;
Ephesians 5
21Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
22Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
33Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
It has been a very interesting and fruitful thread!
Peace,
Joe
P.S. I meant to add this email reply from Ray but posted before doing so... here it is;
Dear George:
I am thinking that you believe Gal. 3:27 voids out I Cor. 14:34? If it does, the why would Paul have written it?
The answer is quote simple:
"IN CHRIST" there is no "male or female." But, IN THE FLESH there still is male and female, otherwise homosexuality would not be a sin. Can you see how silly that approach to this Scripture would be?
We are still in physical bodies and we are still male and female, and as such the man is the head of the woman just as Jesus is the head of the Church. And as such, Paul did not permit women to preach or teach in the congregation. However, there are many situation in which women can teach: to their children (both girls and boys); on the telephone, in letters, in group discussions, etc. I believe their teaching is just pretty much limited in the area of not getting in front of an assembly of men and women and being featured as the main speaker or teacher. Not that she might not be able or qualified, but rather it is a matter of subjection to authority. I have never done a long study on this subject, but I have read several papers by those who have, and most of them are shot through with theological holes.
God be with you,
Ray
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on January 09, 2011, 01:39:40 AM ---
Welcome back Joe!
Arc
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Oops, I failed to respond to your welcome Arc... :o
Thank you VERY much!
Peace,
Joe
myms:
I know I don't seem to contribute much but I always particularly enjoyed your posts Joe, its very good to see you back!
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: myms on January 09, 2011, 09:22:56 AM ---I know I don't seem to contribute much but I always particularly enjoyed your posts Joe, its very good to see you back!
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Hi myms,
Thanks for the kind words and the warm welcome!
Peace,
Joe
Samson:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on January 08, 2011, 10:56:05 AM ---When they are so EMOTIONALLY INTERTWINED with one another, that they are literally one flesh. This is the relationship we’re going to have with God. L Ray Smith (Caps for emphasis to topic)
EMOTIONALLY INTERTWINED. Not physically, financially or religiously, culturally or economically intertwined. EMOTIONALLY intertwined!
Who gets intertwined with a thorn bush? :D
Just as the husband and wife become one flesh, God wants to be that intimate with humanity, LIKE one flesh. L. Ray Smith (Caps for emphasis to topic)
Emotional intertwinement cannot be desired with a cactus. God shall remove the thorns and who does He say this is for?
.........it’s for everyone. L Ray Smith.
IT’S FOR EVERYONE! That’s very good news! It is GREAT NEWS!
Samson, that was a magnificent, Samson post! Thank you brother!
Dear brother walt
THANK YOU for the light of Christ you shine into our sisters and the daughters of the Kingdom of our Sovereign God!
Blessings
Arc
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The following response is primarily directed to Deborah(Arcturus), but before making a comment, I'd like to Welcome Back Joe Hillsbororiver and to thank Him for His good responses & Clarification regarding the Physical/Spiritual aspect of the Male/Female relationship He presented.
Deborah,
Thanks for Your emphasis about being EMOTIONALLY INTERTWINED. You perceived very well. It was especially interesting and profound for me, because John Popovich and I were discussing how a major part of the learning process that God planned providing this Male/Female(Husband/Wife) relationship for Our experience. Overall, what constitutes the longest and most time spent relationship that MOST of us experience(Good/Evil) while living in the Flesh. Why it's the time spent with ones Mate. Since God is both male & female, Spiritually speaking, Most of us get the opportunity to experience firsthand the female or male half through this relationship. This serves to better acquaint us with Emotions, thoughts, desires and perspectives from the struggles, trials, disagreements, differences, etc from this lifelong process presented through this Male/Female relationship. For Males(Husbands), it begins with experiencing the Female perspective in Childhood with Our Mothers and continues with Our Wives. This is all part of the process and the preparation towards learning about the qualities of Our Male/Female God. Of course, this Male/Female relationship is part of Our lifelong experience of Good & Evil for "CREATING HUMANITY" in His image which consists of the Male & Female aspect.
Kind Regards, Samson.
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