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Just what is spirit?
judith collier:
Micah7:9, The Holy Spirit of Christ inspires and teaches and is like the wind the bible says.
You don't know where it came from but you certainly know when it it leaves you. The Spirit focuses on the eternal. Try with your mind to figure out the eternal things of God and all you will get is rhetoric unless you are in a meditative state which I believe is a gift from God.
The more you are still and emptied of yourself (which takes practice) the more you can almost grasp it with your senses but not really. But the Spirit has to line up with the word of God. All I know it is not us and it stems from love always.
Judy
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: micah7:9 on March 11, 2011, 10:03:50 PM ---Just what is spirit? I know that spirit is more solid and dense than a rock. I know that it is more real than a river flowing or a hot wind blowing.
Faith has more substance than earth when its dug up, so just what is spirit.... other than I AM?
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Invisible
John 4:24 God is Spirit...
1 Tim 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise...
Immortal/Incorruptable
John 4:24 & 1 Tim 1:17 (see above)
Rom 1:23 ...the glory of the incorruptible God ...
Sustaining the entire universe & all living things in it
Col 1:17 ...in Him all things consist...
Acts 17:28 For in Him we live and move and have our being...
Able to influence the hearts & minds of individuals
Ex 9:12 The LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh...
John 12:40 He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts
Just a few scriptures that came to mind. The only thing I could liken it to is all-powerful, invisible energy. But those are the best human terms I can think of.
Samson:
--- Quote from: micah7:9 on March 11, 2011, 10:03:50 PM ---Joh 6:63 the spirit it is that is giving life; the flesh doth not profit anything; the sayings that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life;
Just what is spirit? I know that spirit is more solid and dense than a rock. I know that it is more real than a river flowing or a hot wind blowing.
Faith has more substance than earth when its dug up, so just what is spirit.... other than I AM?
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Excerpt's from Ray's Material on What is Spirit and from some former threads.
Dear John:
Yes, there is a spirit in man (AND ALL ANIMALS). Nothing can live without "spirit." Spirit IS life (Ecc. 8:8; Ecc. 12:7; Luke 23:46; I Cor. 2:11; etc.). There is no consciousness in our spirit alone. There is only consciousness (soul) when man's spirit is combined with a body. God retains our spirit until resurrection when He puts our spirit into a new body and we once again become conscious or receive back the quality of "soul." We are said to have new "spiritual" bodies, not that we are made "spirits."
God be with you,
Ray
Dear Scott:
I am aswering this just to get it off of my emails.
WHAT third person? Whose spirit is "HIS" spirit? Is that "GOD'S spirit?" Then it isn't its OWN spirit, is it? Actually we are "conceived" by the spirit. We are not "born" until we enter the Kingdom through resurrection and a new spiritual body--then and only then will we be "LIKE the wind."
Jesus was conceived by what? The "spirit god?" There is no "spirit god" in my Bible. Is there one in yours? I don't think so. No, God the Father HAS a spirit, and it is therefore HIS spirit, and that is why it [not 'he'] is called the Spirit OF God. The Spirit OF God BELONGS to God. Now then, does the Father BELONG to the Spirit? No. So follow closely: Since Jesus was conceived BY the Holy Spirit, but He is the "Son OF THE FATHER" (II John 3), then the Spirit of God is the FATHER'S Spirit and is NOT A THIRD PERSON, seeing that Jesus is nowhere called "The Son of the Holy Spirit." Am I going too fast for you?
Sincerely,
Ray
23) Pneuma(Greek) & Ruahh(Hebrew): Spirit: A Current of Air, Non Carnal, Supernatural, always connotes the idea of invisible and Power, Breathe(Pneuma). To blow, Breathe, Wind, to perceive figuratively, vital force of life(Ruahh). Acts. 7:59 " Lord Jesus, receive my spirit, verse 60 " fell asleep." John. 19:30 " It is accomplished, He gave up the spirit." (He stopped breathing). Matt. 27:50 " He let go off the spirit." (Apheten to pneuma). Gen. 1:2 " God's Spirit(Ruahh) was moving to and fro." Psalm. 146:4 " His Spirit(Ruahh) goes out, In that day his thoughts do perish."
SPIRIT
When a man dies his spirit returns to God Who gave it (Lk. 23:46, Psa. 104:24-30). The "spirit" is never said to go to hades or sheol, and the "soul" is never said to go to Heaven at death. Men and beasts have the same spirit [ruach] and they go to the same place (Ecc. 3:18-21). There is no getting around this: when God takes away a living soul's spirit, it always dies. The spirit "gives life." No one can live without "spirit," no matter how young and healthy he may be. There are no exceptions. If there are, where is the Scripture? A dead person cannot experience anything-not pleasure in Heaven or pain in a fabled hell. This is a serious thing. Rom. 14:23 says: "Now everything which is not out of faith is sin." If one doesn't have Scriptures that show people go to eternal hell fire after death, then it is a sin to teach it.
The words "soul" and "spirit" have become corrupted through theology so that they are now used interchangeably, as if they were synonymous. They are not synonymous. There may be certain similarities between soul and spirit, but similarities do not make them one and the same.
The "soul" is the seat of sensation, consciousness, and feelings, not the body or the spirit. It is the spirit that imparts life to the body and the body then becomes a living soul (Gen. 2:7).
A thorough study of the word "soul" in the Scriptures proves that it is used of consciousness, feelings, and emotions. Hence, "sensation" is a good word to define its usage.
Micah, also read the FAQ section, this topic, as you probably know, was discussed many times in the past and is now being discussed in the present and will probably be brought up again in the future, ;). If You type the word Spirit under the Search Mode, you will see what I mean.
Kind Regards, Samson.
Kat:
Spirit... how do we relate to something invisible? Well I noticed something that has helped my understanding and that is Spirit seems to relates to TRUTH or the knowledge of the truth. Also Jesus is all about the truth and can be found in Scripture as "the Truth."
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
John 18:37 Pilate therefore said to Him, "Are You a king then?" Jesus answered, "You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice."
v. 38 Pilate said to Him, "What is truth?"
Another thing is the chosen receive the Spirit of Truth (Christ) to bring them out of darkness or into light.
2Cor 4:6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever--
v. 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
1Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
John 16:13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
This "Spirit of Truth" is Jesus Christ in us. That makes me think that the more we know Jesus Christ/Truth the closer we come to God/Spirit, it all seems connected Spirit/Christ/Truth. So we are learning who/what God is... God IS truth, He is everything that is true (the state of being accurate - free of error). It is His Spirit/Truth that sanctifies us and separates us from the world and sets us free.
John 17:17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
V. 18 As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
V. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.
John 8:32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
2Co 3:16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
v. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
James 1:18 Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures.
Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him,
v. 18 the eyes of your understanding being enlightened...
1John 4:6 We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
There are so many Scripture that speak of Spirit and Truth, these are just some that I found and thought might help this discussion.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
dave:
I will get back to you brothers and sisters, I say thank you, your responses I find good and solid. You, and I believe it is from Rays open teaching of what the the Bible, Jesus and the prophets taught. Its open and right there. Thank you all very much. Spirit is real and full, yet we cant see it. I dont really believe anymore that it is invisible, it is just not seen....yet and still it is there when we are permited.
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