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love_magnified:

--- Quote ---Ray,
> I am disapointed that you have a very strong theory about hell or some
> terms hades and the lake of fire. If you believe god will save everyone you
> missed the boat.God wants to save all people but he know he can't thats why
> he created a choice(free will). You tell every one their is no torment but
> it is stated in the bible with the lake of fire. rev 20:10 and rev. 20:15.
> Another issue I have is and with most christians is that you are following
> the doctrine of paul and not what god wants. Take a look at rev. 2:2 what do
> you think that John was writing about. The disciples did not want paul
> around.The people he was preaching to did want him
> around.(galatians,ephesians) Paul also made himself(maybe with the help of
> luke) a disciple teaching that you did not need to follow the old covenant.
> But Jesus made it clear to follow his commandments and if jesus is also God
> than ten commandments still apply and so does jews holy days. But let me
> guess paul said it was ok to practice pagan worship like christmas and
> easter. Well looking forward to your email.
>
> mike


Sorry, Mike, your unscriptural cockamamie does not deserve an answer.

Ray
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I suggest mike stand in the center of his living room, put his hands to his side and spin around in a circle over and over again. At the same time say, "God can't. God can't. God can't. God can't. God can't. God can't." until he is blue in the face. There's your orthodox doctrine.

all4love:
 ;D :) :) :)

I Agree!!

Beloved:
Isn't it amazing how illogical and blind an argument some folks will presnt when defending their man made beliefs       . God can't... That statement is so ludicrous and moronic



The whole thing about Paul and John has been debated for centureies . This man dose not understand what Jesus was really trying spiritually to show the apostels in the Gospels. After pentecost as each matured and began to write, each wrote as a member of the body and from a different perspective but they were still all one.

Peter was in agreement with everyone (that would also include John) and he himself writes and warns everyone that there will be such people as this man who will not be able to see and understand.

(2Pe 3:15 KJVR) 
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

(2Pe 3:16 KJVR) 
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.

(2Pe 3:17 KJVR)  Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness.

John on the other hand because he lived so long. (the avg life span at that time was 40 so he was considered one old dude ) knew he was writing the Last chapter. He was the last person to be personally instructed by Christ. He was given this vision to write down so it could be read. He was looking at the Big Picture.  I do not see any scripture that contradicts what Paul has written.

I also did not see where Paul said it was okay to celebrate christmas  or easter.  First of all Christmas as a holiday did not exist until after Constantine 300 AD).  No where does Paul tell anyone to celebrate Easter or any pagan  holiday. Perhaps this man is referring to Passover; one thing we do know is that Paul for sure spoke time and again against jewish ritualism and he was paid with repeated brutality for this. We know that the jewish festivals are types of spiritual manifestations of Christ and God's plan.

When I read these passage I see that Paul meant that things such as easter and christmas were carnal.    If carnal then all flesh is NOTHING. We are to be walk in Spirit and not in flesh . We are in the world but not of the Wold. He told the samarian woman that we would worship in truth and spirit and he meant it. It is the only foolishness of the world that continues to revel and celebrates these holidays.


Beloved

gmik:
Good Stuff.  Maybe Ray should stand in a circle round and round...Its not me its them, its not me its them its not me its them....I don't know why he continues to bother with those e mails.
but beloved, lm, and all4love, i liked the responses.

It wasn't so long ago that I believed as Mike did! We need to pray for him and love him and hope he finds the truth as we did.  Remember it was God who dragged us, not we ourselves.

jerry:
I think one day God will open mikes eyes.like he did mine. :-*

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