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Greatest Challenge - own house
tau:
Hi All
When Jesus said that one would face the greatest challenge from one's house, I thought I could easily overcome them as all I have to do is put His word before everything (in general, I would like to think I succeed). Then I had to deal with the situation of having told and showed my wife countless scripture that a true disciples walk with God is forever progressive and upwards, I then hit a brick wall. My wife think I am not supportive if I tell her that I truelly do not want to attend general church services anymore. I am more than willing to discuss bible with people of the same mindset so we edify each other but i want to worship in truth and in spirit. We are agreed that Jesus said 'why call me Lord and not do what I say?', but her concern is one has held and outgrown so many view points (old church teachings) that my wife think I am confusing her. So, she now asks that I must just do it for her - accompany her to church. I do it but uncomfortably - 'a man who is persuaded against his will is still of the same view'. I want to know is it okay to still go with my wife (show of support) even if I generally find church teaching a bit tolarable if taken with a pinch of salt.
Now I am told I must NEVER dream of having kids out of church (thought about it, never took a position on it as calling is for individuals) We all get called at different times. How does one get around this? Jesus said - if you love your wife more than me, you cannot be my disciples. I am weary of how one is called to run, lest at the end I should also be disqualified! Help!
Marky Mark:
Hello tau. Here are some verse for the comfort you so desire.
I hope this is of some edification.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Micah 7:6 For the son dishonoureth the father, the daughter riseth up against her mother, the daughter in law against her mother in law; a man's enemies are the men of his own house.
Matt 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matt 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
James 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
2 Cor 11:26 In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;
Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
1 Pet 1:7 That the trial of your faith,being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
James 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
James 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Peace...Mark
tau:
Thanks Mark, you just made it painfully obvious!! ;D ;D So, are you suggesting that one continues to attend the service and take it on the chin knowing that all trials and discomfort work on our faith? :-\ Once you know and can now 'HEAR' the WORD, it becomes a bit of a challenge to sit through services especially where you can tell that the truth is being hanged on the line for expediency by the church >:( and you know you can't have an input even at cell meetings as you are always seen as going 'against' what the pastor teaches and therefore 'destroying' the faith of others!! ??? So, when the call to come out of her my people is made, you now for the first time really understand what it means ;D. but thanks for the scriptures, i will bury myself in them!! ;D
regards
Duane:
tau...that is a tough one that i would rather a moderator advise you on than myself. In making the best of a bad situation, until you
really get grounded, I would suggest that you not "take on" the church and it's teachings lest you get swallowed up. HOWEVER, in a
non-confrontational way you could jot down notes of the sermon that you feel are contrary to your beliefs and show her (introduce)
her to some of the teachings you know from here and talk about them. Pray about the timing.
I have to do the same thing with my wife and trust the Holy Spirit will do the rest.
This is all I feel comfortable in writing. Will pray for you.
Kat:
Hi Tau,
This is just my take on this, no real wisdom here, just my opinion. Certainly this is a difficult thing for you as you have had your eyes opened and you know truth, but your wife is having trouble understanding. You care for her and see she is struggling with leaving church and friends, so you want to make this as easy for her, but you also want to do the best thing for your family. So is to continue to attend and drink the heresy of the church a help her or yourself? I can see that you may want to continue going to church and be a witness against church heresy, to remain silent in the midst of such blatant falsehood would be putting your light under a bushel.
Mat 5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
v. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
But this may cause your wife (and you as well, if you are not well grounded in this truth) more distress than not going to church at all and will surely get you thrown out as well. So this is serious for you as the head of the household and accountable to direct your family on the proper course, as far as you know it to be. Just continue to pray for God to let you know what you should do. I will pray for you as well.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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