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cjwood:
ok john, et al, i understand your points given and agree with them. but given that, does that mean we cannot even try and discuss the "meatier" subjects which we are beginning to study deeper and want to get a better understanding and insight into? couldn't it be that micah 7:9, or this forum member or that forum member, might have just been wanting to start a discussion with live people to get a better understanding of a subject which ray HAS given time to.
claudia
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: micah7:9 on April 15, 2011, 10:47:04 PM ---Why are they "outside of the scope of the forum?"
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Because Ray has not taught on this subject, and the purpose of the forum is to talk about the teachings on bible-truths.com.
Micah7:9, your questions are not new. They continue to come up, again and again...we even created an FAQ post about it but the same questions keep coming back. No one here is equipped to teach the symbolism to Revelation, Daniel, Ezekial, & other books of the bible with heavier symbolism.
I remember Dennis told me once: If anyone here was equipped to be a teacher, God will give them their own platform to teach from. And I've come to truly believe that. Hope you understand.
--- Quote from: micah7:9 on April 15, 2011, 10:47:04 PM ---I have read Rays works, and I am seeking what he may have to say about this. I will be upfront and honest, I come to this site to weigh the truth. When I have been givin to understanding and I dont see, it is then that I turn to Ray Smith and those on the forum. When I get lost and I need answers I turn to L. Ray Smith, he does not round the corners of a square room when he cleans.
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Again, we have an entire thread dedicated to what Ray has to say about this (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11637.0.html). Also, if you really feel the need to 'turn to L. Ray Smith', why don't you simply email your question to him?
Also, I'm going to be upfront and honest: I love all the forum members, but none of them are teachers and will be able to answer all the questions. What makes Kat, Samson, Arcturus, and others so adapt at helping other members is because we are so familiar with Ray's teachings, not because we have some increased spiritual knowledge. We're actually better at telling you what's NOT true compared to teaching something new, and again, that's only because we're so familiar with Ray's work...we know where to look and compare. Again, hope you understand.
--- Quote from: cjwood on April 15, 2011, 11:56:40 PM ---agreed micah7:9, agreed. why should this be outside the scope of this forum, and it be suggested you look someplace else outside this forum for more insight?
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Claudia,
As I told Micah7:9, because he's looking for answers to subjects that have yet to be taught on bible-truths.com. And I know there are plenty of websites, dedicated, to teaching the symbolism to the books of the Bible mentioned above.
Does it mean they have 'all' the truth? No, but they may help in understanding what different symbols mean. From that point, one could compare notes with what they already understand to be true and see where it takes them. It's just simply doing research, that's all.
--- Quote from: cjwood on April 15, 2011, 11:56:40 PM --- which other forum on the whole world wide web has the Truths which are expounded on by ray smith and discussed by the forum members, old and new alike? i mean, really?
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And I believe this is where the purpose of the forum becomes skewed. To relay what is already been taught on bible-truths is welcome, to teach anew is not. What Micah7:9 was asking for has not been taught.
We praise God for keeping Ray alive up to this point...perhaps we can exercise patience until Ray gets around to teaching on this subject? I actually think it is telling that God has NOT given Ray the answers to these books. Maybe it's a sign we should be focusing on something else?
What Ray has been teaching lately is about who and what is Jesus and who and what is the Father...and also how their and our relationship is and will be. It is a subject that will never end and gives us insight into what happens when God is 'All in All'. The symbolism in the before mentioned books of the Bible will be fulfilled and done with. But our relationship with God is and will be eternal.
--- Quote from: cjwood on April 15, 2011, 11:56:40 PM --- ... and we even have some pretty mature, insightful, and loving members who have already posted on this thread, prior to this exhortation to searching some OTHER forum. :(
claudia
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No we don't :D (I mean in jest)
Anyone can post scriptures...it takes a great teacher to actually help understand what one is reading. As I said before, I love the members here, but none are equipped to be teachers.
Hope this helps and you both understand,
Marques
One Love:
Well said & done Marques, Mr. Smith is the elect teacher here, some just don't get that, what nonsense some post is disturbing to new comers on this site, some just can't hold back from posting nonsense to any post which is also off line with the topic.
And yes you're right by quoting those names
--- Quote ---Kat, Samson, Arcturus
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who give evidence of Mr. Smith's teaching from Mr. Smiths teaching, I second that thought.
Understand the topics before posting your 2cents worth, like "wtf" or "gfy"
Be still, there's no reward for the most stupid posts, etc.
longhorn:
I had 2 Lorna Dune wedding cookies and a Grape Popsicle for breakfast.
Longhorn
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Grace on April 16, 2011, 09:25:57 AM ---I apologize for posting the scriptures. It was not my mindset to do any type of teaching because I am learning myself and am not qualified to teach, nor do I want to teach. I had just made notes on a study that I had done a few months ago and figured perhaps she could study the scriptures and let them speak for themselves. I respect the rules of the forum and understand why they are laid out the way they are. If this offended anyone, I'm sorry. I certainly don't want it to affect any newcomers or anyone. My words have probably killed enough people in my life and I certainly don't wish to do that to someone just coming to this site. That was not in my heart. Again, I do apologize and will be aware of anything of the sort in the future.
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There's no need to apologize Grace, you did nothing wrong and neither has another member. Questions were asked and answered, that's what a discussion board is about.
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