Hi Micah7:9,
Your question was okay. It may just take a little time before someone drops in that can give you an answer.
Also I am told that the woman is the "soul" and that it is this soul that is the driving force of man.
As far as I know everybody (man and woman) becomes a living soul when the breath of life enter the body. Here is an email.
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True, at death one's spirit returns to God, but it has no consciousness whatsoever. The consciousness is in the soul. Man IS a living soul, and when He dies, he is a dead soul. It is neither the soul, nor the body which are said to "sleep" in death, but rather that death itself is called "sleep."
If I may ask, does this verse read that He (Lord God) already had it in His plan that woman would have "had" pain in child birth, before eating the forbidden fruit? And that it would be increased(greatly) now and in the future?
I fully believe that everything that happens is exactly as it was intended to be. God is sovereign and knows how this all will end, so He must know every detail of what is to happen before then, "declaring the end from the beginning" (Isa 46:10). So yes He did already have it in His plan for woman to have the type of childbirth that we do. It only appears from our prespective in that verse that God decided to do something different or changed His mind. Here is an email that may help with this.
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[Ray Replies]
Dozens of times (maybe hundreds) God speaks to us AS IF He were a man. But God is NOT A MAN.
Some examples:
"And the Lord REPENTED [changed His mind] of the evil which He thought to do unto His people" (Ex. 32:14).
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"And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for He is not a man that he should repent [change His mind]" (I. Sam. 15:29).
Is this a flat out Biblical contradiction? NO. One statement is from man's point of view, and the other is from God's point of view. One is the RELATIVE, while the other is the ABSOLUTE.
"...choose you this day whom ye will serve" (Josh. 24:15).
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"Ye have NOT chosen me, but I have chosen you..." (John 15:16).
The relative point of view from man's position seems to put the ability to choose on man's shoulders, while the ABSOLUTE truth from God's position is that 'no one CAN come to Me...." (John 6:44).
"...whosoever does not righteousness is NOT of God" (I John 3:10).
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"ALL is of God" (II Cor. 5:18).
Unrighteousness is NOT of God's heart. Those who doe wickedness are of their father the devil, Jesus said. Yet, even THAT is OF GOD in the ultimate sense.
One more:
"Zachariah was JUST before God" (Luke 1:5).
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"NOT ONE is JUST" (Rom. 3:10).
Again, Zachariah was "just" FROM MAN'S point of view. When comparing him with all the other corrupt priests, Zachariah certainly appeared to be JUST. But from God's ABSOLUTE point of view, not even Zachariah was just.
And so there are hundreds of just such statements in Scripture that appear to make God out to be HUMAN, with HUMAN anatomy (eyes, ears, face, hair, arms, etc.) when in reality God IS SPIRIT and has ABSOLUTELY NO HUMAN ANATOMY.
When God asked: "Where art thou Adam?" Are we to assumed that God Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHERE ADAM WAS HIDING?? And then, "WHO TOLD YOU that you were naked?" Does God REALLY NOT KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THESE SIMPLE QUESTIONS?
It was for ADAMS SAKE that God asked: "Where art thou" and "who told you that you are naked." From man's point of view God "repented" or "changed His mind." But God has not revealed to the whole world that ALL IS OF HIM, and he NEVER EVER CHANGES ANYTHING! Now do you see and understand. Good.
There are thousands of highly educated theologians and teachers that do not grasp these simplest of Bible Truths.
God be with you,
Ray