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nightmare sasuke:

--- Quote ---"And these are the years of the life of Ishmael, an hundred and thirty and seven years: and he gave up the ghost and died; and was gathered unto his people" (Gen 25:17, KJV).
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What do you think?

YellowStone:
This is an excellent question! :)

Gen 25:17 And these are the years of the life of Ishmael, an hundred and thirty and seven years: and he gave up the ghost and died; and was gathered unto his people

First off, I believe that Ghost and Spirit are synonymous in this context and by my understanding of the scripture below, Ishmael's life spirit returned to God. I do not believe that Ishmael's spirit was an entity, rather a life giving force.

      Ecc 12:7
* Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
As for "....and was gathered unto his people" I feel this means exactly that. He was gatherup and returned to his people for burial.

I would be very interested hearing anyone else's take on this. I am willing and here to learn?

Love to all,

Darren

nightmare sasuke:

--- Quote from: YellowStone on July 10, 2006, 01:19:14 AM ---This is an excellent question! :)

Gen 25:17 And these are the years of the life of Ishmael, an hundred and thirty and seven years: and he gave up the ghost and died; and was gathered unto his people

First off, I believe that Ghost and Spirit are synonymous in this context and by my understanding of the scripture below, Ishmael's life spirit returned to God. I do not believe that Ishmael's spirit was an entity, rather a life giving force.

      Ecc 12:7
* Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
As for "....and was gathered unto his people" I feel this means exactly that. He was gatherup and returned to his people for burial.

I would be very interested hearing anyone else's take on this. I am willing and here to learn?

Love to all,

Darren

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I understand what happened to his "ghost." The gathered unto his people part is what some people use for proof of an afterlife, which is why I asked.

MG:
This scripture doesn't seem to use gathered in that way. It looks like they left Aaron buried on the mountain alone.


Numbers 20

23And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in mount Hor, by the coast of the land of Edom, saying,

 24Aaron shall be gathered unto his people: for he shall not enter into the land which I have given unto the children of Israel, because ye rebelled against my word at the water of Meribah.

 25Take Aaron and Eleazar his son, and bring them up unto mount Hor:

 26And strip Aaron of his garments, and put them upon Eleazar his son: and Aaron shall be gathered unto his people, and shall die there.

 27And Moses did as the LORD commanded: and they went up into mount Hor in the sight of all the congregation.

 28And Moses stripped Aaron of his garments, and put them upon Eleazar his son; and Aaron died there in the top of the mount: and Moses and Eleazar came down from the mount.

MG:
Here's one from Job

Job 14

 7For there is hope of a tree, if it be cut down, that it will sprout again, and that the tender branch thereof will not cease.

 8Though the root thereof wax old in the earth, and the stock thereof die in the ground;

 9Yet through the scent of water it will bud, and bring forth boughs like a plant.

 10But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he?

 11As the waters fail from the sea, and the flood decayeth and drieth up:

12So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.

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