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Couple of points
djc56:
Greetings all:
I have been consumed in reading old e-mails to Ray, but a couple of points crossed my mind.
1) Has anyone here got that "I'm failing and missing the mark" feeling?
Paul mentioned running the good race and there are times I wonder if I'm even on the track let alone running.
2) Adultery:One thing I picked up from reading e-mails to Ray, is that Ray is a wordsmith. Isn't "adultery" from the word adulterate - render something poorer in quality by adding something?
I mean, doesn't adding cream adulterate coffee?
In short, is the sin of adultery really cheating on one's spouse? We already have commands against fornication and coveting a neighbor's wife etc...
Your thoughts?
No, I'm not covering a guilty conscience.
Kat:
Hi djc56,
Ray had a Bible study on marriage, here are a couple excerpts about adultery.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5675.0.html --------
(08) Sex outside of marriage is adultery and whoredom, by definition. Of course most people are guilty of that, yours truly included. But that is the fact, it is called adultery and whoredom.
Heb 13:4 Marriage (matrimony) is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled; but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
Marriage would probably been better translated matrimony, that is actually the marriage state, when a couple are married and living together as husband and wife. That institution there, matrimony. But notice what He contrasts it with…matrimony is honorable, what is matrimony? It’s somebody who went through a wedding with exchanging of vows and forming a covenant.
What if you don‘t do that? What about people who say, ‘well, I just want to live together and have sex and never get married.’ They never commit and they say, ‘I don‘t want a piece of paper, she knows I love her.’ Yea well you just keep telling yourself that and maybe she doesn’t know that, maybe you’ve halfway convinced her.
Notice what He contrast it with…… matrimony. The marriage institution is honorable and the bed undefiled - having sex together as a husband and wife. The word undefiled, that’s kind of a semi-negative to me, the word is pure. Why put undefiled? The word is pure. The marriage bed between a husband and wife is pure in God’s eyes. It’s pure to have sex with your wife or your mate, that’s pure.
But notice what the opposite is, if it’s not marriage, “…but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.” If you are not in matrimony in your wedding bed, what does God consider you? A whoremonger and a adulterer. Now do I need to read Rev. 21:8, “All whoremongers will find their place in the Lake of fire.” Is that not clear enough there? People don’t put these things together. If you are not married, but you live together, you are a whoremonger and adulterer.
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Mat 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
v. 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causes her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced commits adultery.
So Jesus did not even contradict the aspect of divorce, you know when they came to Him and said, can a man divorce for any reason. He said that if you put away your wife or divorced her, except it be for a cause of fornication or immorality - ‘porneia’ is the word, then you cause that person, if they go out and find another mate, then you cause them to commit adultery. You had no right to divorce that person.
Now He doesn’t say it specifically, but you can deduce, you know you can lawfully, legally and rightly deduce from what is said, something that isn’t said. If you shouldn’t divorce for that, “except for fornication,” that means for fornication, you can divorce. So if Jesus Christ is putting His approval on a certain aspect of immorality where divorce can be involved, than He is also backing up the fact, that it was a legal marriage until the divorce came about.
Jesus does not contradict divorcement. If adultery is involved, Jesus okays the marriage of a divorced person.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
djc56:
Greetings to you Kat.
Thanks for the reply.
Texas isn't the only "cattle country".
Pretty big business here in North Dakota too.
And when Randy's Red Angus bull gets into Jeff's Charolais heifers, there are some serious problems and tempers fly for Jeff's stock has been adulterated.
The problems have nothing to do with cattle "infidelity".
As I posted earlier, Ray is a master wordsmith. (This is a compliment).
Again, you responded to infidelity in marriage (thank you), but could "adultery" have a different meaning/application other than the common one of churchanity?
I'm not saying we are cattle, but we certainly are beasts.
Your thoughts?
JohnMichael:
Adulterate: to debase or make impure
It can have more applications than marriage, but remember, our goal should be on spiritual things - not physical.
Taking God's Truth and mixing in false doctrines can be considered a spiritual adultery/fornication. Babylon is said to be guilty of this in Rev 18:3.
The Greek word for Adultery is moichoa/moichos
G3429
μοιχάω
moichaō
moy-khah'-o
From G3432; (middle voice) to commit adultery: - commit adultery.
G3432
μοιχός
moichos
moy-khos'
Perhaps a primary word; a (male) paramour; figuratively apostate: - adulterer.
Apostate: a person who forsakes his religion, cause, party, etc. (or Truth)
Dave in Tenn:
Yes. And one can commit murder "spiritually" as well.
Jesus used the word here: Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
I'm not sure if you can butcher cattle 'spiritually'. :D But I reckon you can do other things to them that one might 'call' butchering in a spiritual sense of the word.
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