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Drew:
Opps, I went a little overboard in my response. Inexperence! I was trying to correct "allusion" to the proper "illusion". Hopefully I'll do better next time.
Drew
Dave in Tenn:
What is a 'delusion'. It's something that appears to be true, but isn't.
Why is 'free-will' a delusion. It appears to be true, but it isn't.
It appears the sun rises and sets. It doesn't.
You're asking a question about why God would make the earth move relative to the sun and inspire scripture that says the sun rises. I don't know the High Mind of God. Maybe He wanted to trap us for centuries into absolute literalism and tradition, and then free us to understand there is more to the Word of God than meets the eye. Since that's what's happened, that's surely one reason why He's done it.
It's not like He doesnt operate in a similar fashion in other things. Jesus didn't speak in parables so that His teachings would be easily understood, as a prime example. Why 'wonder why He did that'?
There are statements in scripture that would seem to say that man makes uncaused choices, if one is prone to believe that way. They don't mean that at all. It's the relative vs. the Absolute. In like manner, people STILL say "sunrise" and "sunset"--it doesn't bother me that they said it in the bible too. Most of the people who say it now, know better. I can't be sure that the writers of the Old Testament scripture DIDN'T know better. And if they didn't? So what? They didn't know any number of things that have since been revealed.
Anyways. It's possible Ray may have something more (and hopefully more convincing) soon. In the meantime, let's remember this is Bible-Truths.com. "Agreeing" is not a requirement, but it shouldn't be asking too much of us to hold this place dear for those of us who do.
Drew:
Possibly there has been miscommunication on my part and for that I apologize. I certainly have no intentions of trying to prove my position correct and Mr Smith's and your's wrong;if I'm wrong, so what? Another humbling experience, maybe? It has just been an interesting question in my mind for years. You are aware, I'm sure, that being of a minority opinion isn't nessasarily a bad thing. I look forward to hearing Mr Smith's further thoughts on this and other thoughts from scripture. I have much respect for his opinion and yours for that matter. I'll say no more regarding this. I do realize you are a moderator and I respect you for that. I'm a new kid on the block and certainly don't want to create dissension.
Respectfully,
Drew
Drew
Extol:
Hi Drew,
As Dave said, It appears the sun rises and sets. It doesn't.
This is not very difficult to understand. When you're at a train station, it appears the train next to you is moving, when it really isn't.
When you're driving away from your friend, it can appear like he is moving away from you.
It appears the sky is blue, but it really isn't [that's just reflected light from the sun]. Yet because it is convenient, we say "The sky is blue".
Even though the sun isn't really "setting", it's more convenient (and poetic) to say "Look at that beautiful sunset!" rather than say "Look at all of those beautiful colors as the earth completes its axis rotation!" 8)
Dave in Tenn:
Drew, no apologies necessary. If this thing has been on your mind for years, it is only because the Lord has caused it to be there. Just be aware that He causes things for reasons we do not always understand until after the fact--if even then. He sets us up, and knocks us down. Blessed be the name of the Lord. :D
Thanks for your understanding.
Do good.
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