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Just defending someone slightly...
HopeinChrist480:
--- Quote from: believerchrist100 on May 25, 2011, 08:46:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: gmik on May 25, 2011, 08:24:09 PM ---Unveiling 21:8 (Concordant Literal)
8 Yet the timid, and unbelievers, and the abominable, and murderers, and paramours, and enchanters, and idolaters, and all the false-their part is in the lake burning with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.
This thread has gotten sorta high-jacked....back to Xander
THE TIMID???!!!! Timid is lumped in w/ murderers, etc.....please help explain !!!!
Gluttony is a sin also....Isn't sin sin??? No degrees of it.
Why is homosexuality worse than being timid???
I have known a fellow for years who is a celibate homosexual-no boyfriends ever- a virgin!!! He prays to God continually to make him straight. Hasn't happened yet. He goes to church, leads a good life as any, but hasn't been delivered.
As Ray said about smoking the same can be said about my friend...The Lord will deliver Him when He will and not before and maybe never.....and yet the Christian world feels differently about him than if he smoked or was fat!!
don't judge lest ye be judged
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Not exactly, there are degrees of sin. For instance consider this parable:
"And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with MANY STRIPES. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with FEW STRIPES. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." (Luke 12:47-48)
The one who doesn't know the Lord's will and disobeys is less guilty than the one who knows his master's will, but disobeys anyway. There are numerous examples of degrees of sin. No doubt all sins are serious and worthy of death which is the wages of sin (Romans 6:23), but there are still degrees of sin.
Hope this helps.
And oh yes, to answer the question on why homosexuality is worse than being timid, here's a scriptural answer:
"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's." (1 Corinthians 6:18-20)
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How can it be sin to not have a knowledge of God's will? It cannot. The person who knows His will and disobeys has committed sin. Therefore, there cannot be degrees in this case because innocence and knowledge are different from another. Fornication is a sin but this verse doesn't indicate degrees of sin, either. My point is that sin is sin. All sin is evil. Sin can still be sin and there also be degrees of sin. The degrees of sin argument would fit well into the doctrine of blasphemy against The Holy Spirit, a sin that would not be forgiven in this age or the age to come which is The Millennial Reign of Christ. A sin that's not unforgivable.
daywalker:
--- Quote from: HopeinChrist480 on May 27, 2011, 07:48:58 AM ---
--- Quote from: believerchrist100 on May 25, 2011, 08:46:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: gmik on May 25, 2011, 08:24:09 PM ---Unveiling 21:8 (Concordant Literal)
8 Yet the timid, and unbelievers, and the abominable, and murderers, and paramours, and enchanters, and idolaters, and all the false-their part is in the lake burning with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.
This thread has gotten sorta high-jacked....back to Xander
THE TIMID???!!!! Timid is lumped in w/ murderers, etc.....please help explain !!!!
Gluttony is a sin also....Isn't sin sin??? No degrees of it.
Why is homosexuality worse than being timid???
I have known a fellow for years who is a celibate homosexual-no boyfriends ever- a virgin!!! He prays to God continually to make him straight. Hasn't happened yet. He goes to church, leads a good life as any, but hasn't been delivered.
As Ray said about smoking the same can be said about my friend...The Lord will deliver Him when He will and not before and maybe never.....and yet the Christian world feels differently about him than if he smoked or was fat!!
don't judge lest ye be judged
--- End quote ---
Not exactly, there are degrees of sin. For instance consider this parable:
"And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with MANY STRIPES. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with FEW STRIPES. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." (Luke 12:47-48)
The one who doesn't know the Lord's will and disobeys is less guilty than the one who knows his master's will, but disobeys anyway. There are numerous examples of degrees of sin. No doubt all sins are serious and worthy of death which is the wages of sin (Romans 6:23), but there are still degrees of sin.
Hope this helps.
And oh yes, to answer the question on why homosexuality is worse than being timid, here's a scriptural answer:
"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's." (1 Corinthians 6:18-20)
--- End quote ---
How can it be sin to not have a knowledge of God's will? It cannot. The person who knows His will and disobeys has committed sin. Therefore, there cannot be degrees in this case because innocence and knowledge are different from another. Fornication is a sin but this verse doesn't indicate degrees of sin, either. My point is that sin is sin. All sin is evil. Sin can still be sin and there also be degrees of sin. The degrees of sin argument would fit well into the doctrine of blasphemy against The Holy Spirit, a sin that would not be forgiven in this age or the age to come which is The Millennial Reign of Christ. A sin that's not unforgivable.
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I think the point this person was making is that those who know God's Law and disobey will be punished more severely than those who disobey in ignorance. Take the laws of the road for example. There's so many different laws, and they all vary from state to state. If you're driving cross country, there's a good chance you may break one or more state laws without even knowing, because back in your home state, it's completely legal. Sometimes, when a cop pulls you over, and they see you're from another state, they may let you off with a warning when you tell them you didn't know that what you did was against their state's law. But, that same cop would be a lot less forgiving to someone who lives in that state because they should know their laws.
Daywalker 8)
believerchrist100:
Exactly what I was trying to say daywalker.
Patrick
gmik:
My son spent 3 months last fall backpacking in SE Asia.....Millions of people have never heard the Name of Jesus....I sure hope they are not accountable as we are...from what my son says...many are living a hell on earth...
The Christian world would condemn these people..I am so glad they will be w/ us at the end when God is All in All.
HopeinChrist480:
Luke 12:47-48 (Concordant Literal)
47 "Now that slave who knows the will of his lord and does not make ready, nor yet does aught with a view to his will, shall have many lashes.
48 Now he who does not know, yet does what deserves blows, shall have few lashes. Now to everyone to whom much was given, from him much will be sought, and to whom they committed much, more excessively will they be requesting of him.
These verses are one of many reasons why I do not believe that the never-ending torture doctrine is true. Few lashes, many lashes, NOT END-LESS LASHES. It's the will of God that man need stay away from sin. The verses don't indicate varying degrees of sin but punishment. It's not a sin to have no knowledge of His will, however, humanity has a fallen-nature and in knowing this we may also know that all have sinned anyway, with the exception of Christ. People may be ignorant of the nature of sin but this doesn't take away from the fact that sin is sin. All have sinned and all sin is deserving of judgement. Would God put the ones who have ignorance of His will through judgement now or in the lake of fire? I think that God puts the poor and poverished people of countries through judgement now ( I don't have any Scriptural proof of this at the moment.) as they have never even heard the name of Jesus Christ. How then could they know the will of the Lord?
Romans 3:23 (Concordant Literal)
23 for all sinned and are wanting of the glory of God.
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