> General Discussions
Jacob loved but Esau God "hated"?
markn902:
That is a very good bible study Kat pointed out I have downloaded the audio and listened to it. It is a good listen and I would recommend it if anyone hasnt heard it yet. :)
Heidi:
This post is so timely in my life as I struggle both with hating what someone is doing and saying and yet feeling guilty for having these feelings and thoughts. Now I understand that I can hate my enemies but I HAVE to agapao them as God commands us to do.
Thanks for being obedient when God placed it on your heart to post for it has truly blessed me!
Heidi
daywalker:
Thanks Foxx! This is the same conclusion I had come to through study (though I had yet to look up the Greek/Hebrew words).
Two things people forget (rather deny) about God and His Word: (1) God's not a fickle human being whose emotions are constantly swayed by circumstances; He already knows what people will do before they do it, and He already knows how He's going to deal with them as a result. (2) Though the Word is "God-breathed" it is written down by men from "man's perspective". For example, from a person's perspective looking at the situation between Jacob and Esau, it looks like God loved Jacob more, but from God's perspective, it was just part of His plan for Jacob to receive (rather steal through trickery) Esau's blessings as the firstborn.
So when we read verses such as:
"The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes; You hate all who do iniquity." Psalm 5:5
We know that God doesn't "hate" anyone in the sense that people "hate" people. When God "hates" someone it just means He isn't showing them favor at the time. Since God knows that showing "favor" to a sinner will not teach him/her righteousness (Isaiah 46:10), He instead "judges" them so that they "will learn righteousness" (verse 9).
Daywalker 8)
Foxx:
--- Quote from: Heidi on June 13, 2011, 08:57:25 AM ---This post is so timely in my life as I struggle both with hating what someone is doing and saying and yet feeling guilty for having these feelings and thoughts. Now I understand that I can hate my enemies but I HAVE to agapao them as God commands us to do.
Thanks for being obedient when God placed it on your heart to post for it has truly blessed me!
Heidi
--- End quote ---
Well, I'm glad this thread has blessed you in some way! It's great to hear when someone has some new understanding. As for myself my obedience is certainly only occasional it seems. I personally struggle with many sinful tendancies that weigh heavy on my heart but God has lead me to this site and to understand many of his truths thanks to Ray and others so I just have to trust in him that he will take those things away from me since I am unable to do so on my own. I just have to do my best as I know how. At any rate, its nice to know he can use myself and others who are hardly perfect by any measure to help others!
God bless!
daywalker:
--- Quote from: Foxx on June 14, 2011, 03:39:36 PM ---
--- Quote from: Heidi on June 13, 2011, 08:57:25 AM ---This post is so timely in my life as I struggle both with hating what someone is doing and saying and yet feeling guilty for having these feelings and thoughts. Now I understand that I can hate my enemies but I HAVE to agapao them as God commands us to do.
Thanks for being obedient when God placed it on your heart to post for it has truly blessed me!
Heidi
--- End quote ---
Well, I'm glad this thread has blessed you in some way! It's great to hear when someone has some new understanding. As for myself my obedience is certainly only occasional it seems. I personally struggle with many sinful tendancies that weigh heavy on my heart but God has lead me to this site and to understand many of his truths thanks to Ray and others so I just have to trust in him that he will take those things away from me since I am unable to do so on my own. I just have to do my best as I know how. At any rate, its nice to know he can use myself and others who are hardly perfect by any measure to help others!
God bless!
--- End quote ---
AMEN!!
"And I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. I want to do what is right, but I can't. I want to do what is good, but I don't. I don't want to do what is wrong, but I do it anyway. But if I do what I don't want to do, I am not really the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it." Romans 7:18-20, NLT
This has been one of my favorite passages for awhile. But only recently did I realize that this is the attitude I need to have in regards to my sins: because I don't want to do them, therefore I know that I don't do them, but instead the "sin" which dwells within me does them. But I am no longer a "slave" to sin because I don't want to! Instead, the "sin" within me is another enemy that I am wrestling with constantly (Eph 6:12).
Godspeed,
Daywalker
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version