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In need of some clarification.
cjwood:
kat, the sections you pulled from ray's '05 conference were so timely. thanks for the boost. :)
claudia
mmijares:
--- Quote from: DougE6 on June 08, 2011, 09:09:35 PM ---Do you think God is going to give the First Resurrection to those who do not desire to pursue it with all their hearts? Do you think the people who sit in the couch deserve the gold medal, who do not put in the effort? So do you think God is going to let people just waltz in who really don't want to be with Christ more than anything, who do not want to help establish his kingdom more than anything?
--- End quote ---
No I don't. Because God, in the first place, did not put the desire in them.
No I don't. Because God, in the first place, made them just to sit in the couch and not put any effort.
No I don't. Because God, in the first place, made them just waltz and made them not to want to be with Christ and not to want to help in the kingdom.
Although I doubt it but your statement still sounds that man must be the one or the first to put the desire, to work and not just sit down, and to want to be with Christ.
There is no free will. It is sometimes hard to understand it though, you know which action comes first or what. But if we are to understand that the ultimate Cause is God then nothing, absolutely nothing, from our part started something (like the above). They should be "God-given".
So again, to parrot JFK, why worry? If God wants or has already chosen me to be in the first resurrection, then He will put the desire, however little I recognize the calling or choosing. Eventually, I will stand up from my "couch" and work the grace God has put in my heart, however little I understand what I am doing. Finally I won't just dance and be careless but will run the race God has beset before me, and then finally recognize, understand, and acknowledge that IT IS GOD THAT DOES ALL OF THIS AND NOT ME.
octoberose:
Zander, do you really want to be a "normal" guy and do " normal" things? Satan is the ruler of this world and the things in it. When you lie, remember who is the father of lies. Just because you know truths from the Word doesn't mean you are living in Truth. They are two different things. I don't mean to be harsh- I think about this in regards to my own path all the time. But my friend, I don't want to be normal, I want to be peculiar, a light in a dark, dark world. I hope we all continue to be enlightened as God draws us near to Him.
DougE6:
Questions for self examination..
Do you love righteousness? Do you hate wickedness? Do you want to see righteousness established? Does your own wickedness make you mourn?
Do you love people? I mean deeply. Even in people you disgree with, or are evil. Can you see past that, do you still love some deep part of them? Can you see them repenting? Can you see what they could be? Would you like to weep with them, while they repent of their sins and call on Jesus? Can you even love the deceived ones in the church? Appreciate the good anyone does for Jesus?
Would you like to see evil stomped out of the earth? Does everything about Christ make your heart and spirit soar? Do you love it when you feel His approval? Do you desperately desire to have your first love, with all your new maturity? Would you defend Christ? Do blasphemers and athiests make you sad, though you never hate them for it, just sad? Do they seem utterly foolish to you?
Are you gradually getting victory over long term sins? Do they have less and less power and hold over you? Does the things of the world, its fame, money, adulation, seem like rubbish? As great as the knowledge you gain is, on this site, is the love of God even greater to you? Is the knowledge subordinate to your real love of God, and of others? Do you show this love, often?
Do you know how weak you are? But how strong He is? Is His strength making you stronger? Do you wish, that you would never sin again?
Grace:
--- Quote from: octoberose on June 09, 2011, 12:19:39 AM ---Zander, do you really want to be a "normal" guy and do " normal" things? Satan is the ruler of this world and the things in it. When you lie, remember who is the father of lies. Just because you know truths from the Word doesn't mean you are living in Truth. They are two different things. I don't mean to be harsh- I think about this in regards to my own path all the time. But my friend, I don't want to be normal, I want to be peculiar, a light in a dark, dark world. I hope we all continue to be enlightened as God draws us near to Him.
--- End quote ---
You're right but until God shows you these truths and changes that part of us how can you live in it? I do know what it means to die daily. I may not always have known that but I do now. It's ugly when you see the fleshly part.
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