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In need of some clarification.
Marky Mark:
--- Quote ---I still dont get why anyone should recieve harsher treatment for knowing and not applying if they have no desire (or should i say little desire) to apply. i dont get that.
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Because by not applying what you have been given in Spirit is putting your own self righteous attitude before the Lords. Remember Job? The few or many stripes of Gods fire are needed to burn out the old man before the new man in Christ can be put on.We all have to be a servant/obey our Lord before we can be perfected in the Spirit.To worship God is to obey God and Scripture states that we are to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God...obey and live...refuse and die.
If any one of us is led to believe otherwise then there are Spiritual consequences to be paid,none the less,we will all learn righteousness.
Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
Peace...Mark
Samson:
--- Quote from: grace on June 09, 2011, 09:42:10 AM ---Samson,
That's where I have another question. It says in scripture that He spoke plainly to his disciples but to the multitudes He spoke in parables. But, then, there is the scripture here that says:
John 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
Heb 11:14 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Would that not mean that whatever language He speaks it will be plainly to His own?
Thanks,
Grace
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I've referred this question to kat, I asked Her to answer for Me, not because I don't like You, ;D, but I have to go to work soon and would like to answer thoroughly and not Wing It. Kat said She will get to it, when She can, but accepted My request. Also, Kat's smarter than I am, ;), but She has a few errands to run, Please be patient, maybe John Michael might view Your question too or Marques, they could answer if they choose to do so. ;).
Thanks, Samson.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: grace on June 09, 2011, 09:42:10 AM ---Samson,
That's where I have another question. It says in scripture that He spoke plainly to his disciples but to the multitudes He spoke in parables.
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That's not true Grace, Christ spoke in parables in all His sermons, including to His disciples. The same passage you referenced has Christ saying to His disciples 'I have spoken to you in proverbs (parables)' but that He shall speak plainly, as in soon but not now.
As far as the many languages, God has already demonstrated that He is able to use anyone to speak in any language necessary to further the gospel. This miracle is actually the true meaning of 'speaking in tongues'. Ray's paper on speaking in tongues is a good reference (http://bible-truths.com/tongues.htm).
Hope this helps,
Marques
gmik:
Zander....thanks for your honesty!
I don't and I hope no one here looks down on you for anything!!!
Good Lord, that is not what this is for...you sure got preached at on this thread tho!!! ;)
shrug it off and live your life-
Your Sister in the Lord,
gena
daywalker:
--- Quote from: zander on June 08, 2011, 05:49:01 PM ---"What it sounds like here is your thinking that once you come to the Truth, you're suddenly going to wake up one day no longer desiring any sin whatsoever, righteous in every manner, and spiritually perfect".
No, i am not thinking this way at all. I am thinking the exact opposite. Now i "know" these "truths", how do i deal with it? I know i am not waking up wanting to change. I am not changing. I am not in a place where i want to. I know i will have to, but that day isnt today. So whilst i "know" what i know, it seems unfair to get hammered if i dont start to follow it as i should. As i say, im an average, every day guy. I dont hate anyone (as far as i know, although i hate anything with Paris Hilton in it..lol)..yuo know what i mean?
Jeez, i sometimes wonder if i'd rather i didnt know what i know.
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Hey Zander,
I know what it's like feel as you do, I've been there too. Don't put too much pressure on yourself. Live your to the best of your ability, doing your best to treat those around you kindly regardless of how they treat you back. If you have a desire to open your bible, do so. If you have a desire to "shout out a prayer" to God, do so. If you feel like you need to "slow down" or take a break, do so and don't feel guilty for it. Just remember these truths and keep them close to your heart:
(1) All is of God, Who is Sovereign.
(2) Jesus Christ is the Savior of the World (not potential, but Actual)
If God has any higher calling for you in this life, than He will lead you in that direction. And you know we are all here at the forum anytime you need us.
Godspeed,
Christopher 8)
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