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DougE6:
This is an interesting question.   It is undeniable that our physical bodies really are created out of the dust from the ground.  If you remove the water, and cook us down to our constituents, our physical bodies are pretty indistinguishable from dirt. We are minerals.  So the Genesis text is quite correct on we are made of dirt.  So we may be literally created from the ground, in one supernatural event, as described in genesis, or if merely allegory, then it may show the physical solidarity of our bodies with the physical creation.  We share very much in common with the animals, we share the beast nature that comes from the physical, with them. Hunger, thirst, reproductive urges, are all shared in common with animals all down the chain.  Thankfully we have a conscience and a spiritual right and wrong sentient understanding that takes us much higher, though.

but on the other hand, the New Testament clearly talks about Adam a lot!  Specially in contradistinction to Christ. The First man, the Second man, the one who has caused death to fall on all others, the one who saves all those who are under the death of the first.  So would the Bible compare a real life figure..Christ; with a mythical figure, that was only an allegory? I have trouble with that. Maybe others would not. I like the simpler parallel of two men. That both were universal.  If you say it is an allegory, then if others were around, at that time, how could satan tempt them all? Or is that allegory too?  because then the offspring of Adam could mate with others who had not sinned in committing a transgression. Or was the entire group, around at that time, simultaneously made aware? Too many hypotheticals for me.  I like and feel that the creation, an ongoing event, over millions of years, took Gods superintendence and interventions to make it happen. I believe that.  I see the creation of Adam as one example of millions of interentions, throughout geological time.  I do not believe that evolution has the power, in and of itself, merely coupled with natural law, without the over riding superintendence and hand of God,  to make it all happen.

octoberose:
Ray wrote on this recently. It's very interesting that there's two stories of creation in Genesis and we keep looking at them as one- but what if they are not? What if man came and then Adam came? I'm not going to put my hat in the ring and say this is it, but it's pretty intriguing.  And when Cain was afraid he would be put to death, who was he afraid of? Christians I know say he was afraid if the siblings he didn't have yet from Adam and Eve, but that sounds like nonsense to me. And just who was the "sons of God and daughters of men" in Genesis 6? Is the story literal? Yes. Is it symbolic?  Yes. The physical first and then the spiritual is what we are taught.
I don't understand why a man leaving his father and mother isn't God telling how the story will unfold from Adam and Eve on. A man will leave his father and mother- is it written in the future tense in Hebrew? I don't know.

Stacey:

--- Quote from: mharrell08 on June 13, 2011, 02:25:37 PM ---Gen 2:24  Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh

When the Pharisees approached Jesus to test Him, one of their questions was about marriage & divorce. Jesus quoted this passage of scripture to them in referring to Adam & Eve, who were joined as one.

So when God made this statement, who is the mother that the man (Adam) left to be joined with Eve? Is this further proof that Adam & Eve were not the first humans?

--- End quote ---

My pennies worth.

There isn't a mother for Adam I can see unless we consider the dirt to be the mother I suppose. Think I'll stick with no mother. We have Adam"s creation spelled out simply as being formed out of the dust of the earth and then later Eve being made out of Adam. I don't see this as further proof for anything other than how marriage between a man and a woman is supposed to work.

I have 3 translations that use the word "now" in Gen. 2:23. There may be more.

Look at verse 23. Adam says this is "now" (now what? a beginning? consider Gen.3:20, marriage?) which indicates to me, from this point forward a man shall leave his father and mother. In verse 24 we have the "therefore" which indicates "for this reason" for what reason? The reason given in verse 23, the "now". From this point forward this is how it is gonna work, a man shall leave his father and mother, and cleave, be joined, as if they are the same flesh and bone joined to one another, a close nit relationship not to be separated.

The point Jesus was making to the Pharisees is all about Marriage, once united, joined together as one flesh and bone, it is never meant to be separated. He was telling them in the strongest manner possible that they didn't know squat about how marriage is supposed to work.

Mat 19:8  He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

What beginning? The beginning of Marriage, the first one recognized.

Gen 2:23  And Adam said, This is now (now what, still part of me, my wife, my woman, the beginning in Mat. 19:8 ) bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

Gen 2:24  Therefore (for this reason, marriage will work like this) shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave (to adhere firmly and closely or loyally and unwaveringly) unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Then again, if anyone wants to look at Gen. 2:24 as a parable or the whole book as a parable for that matter, it can lead down many paths. I'm not saying it's one or the other, just that this is how I understand Gen. 2:24 and what Jesus was saying to the Pharisees.

Marques , I didn't intend to try explaining away the possibility you bring up with my limited and simple understanding but I just don't see Adam having a mother at all. As always with scripture I know there is more than meets the eye.

Kat:

The whole human race had their start with Adam and Eve is what the church teaches! That Adam was literally formed from the dirt and gave life is what the church teaches! One thing I have learned from Ray is that if the church teaches it.... well it's probably not right, as they receive their understanding from the father of liars.

John 8:44  You are of the Devil as father, and the lusts of your father you will do... for he is a liar and the father of it.

It seems we still cling to those old ideas that we were raised up believing. How many of us believed the flood was worldwide before? Then after Ray showed us his research of what 'seemed' obvious in Scripture, who of us still believe the waters covered the whole earth?

What about the creation days, that seemed to be without question... 6 literal day. But now we know there is a great deal more to it, billions of years more to it.

So why would this account of Adam be any different? It is quite clear that there were other indigenous (hunter gathers) people on the earth way before the time of Adam.

We need to look at this subject with an open mind.  There is no reason to fight one another over this idea, we are here to reason these things out and let the spirit reveal what is true.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

lauriellen:
I recently read a book by a Christian scientist who was the head of the "Human Genome Project" that basically mapped out the human dna. If you haven't read his book or listened to his lectures on You Tube, i H-I-G-H-L-Y recomend it. (you can email me for his name and info as i know we are not allowed to post links here: lecallicoat@hughes.net). the scientific efidence is so clear and so undeniable that a 'man-like' creature has been on the earth for tens of thousands of years, and came about by the process of evolution. also that 'adam and eve' could not have been 'less than' a gene pool of approximately 10 thousand. remember this is written by a CHRISTIAN scientist who totally believes in God, but that He used the process of evolution to creat man and all living species.  very very thought provoking book. just my 2 cents worth.
lauriellen

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