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Adam's mother
Kat:
Hi Marques,
I had not thought of that verse, that does give us even more to consider.
So did God literally scoop up dirt and make Adam? That would have been contrary to how He had been doing things? We can also see where He "formed" the animals.
Gen 2:19 And out of the ground Jehovah God formed(H3335) every animal of the field,
Gen 2:7 And Jehovah God formed(H3335) man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Maybe Adam was the beginning of a different race that God brought out of the indigenous people of the time? We still have indigenous people to this day. But if so Adam was separated from them (actually he might have been an outcast, being different and all) and was brought to the "garden," there God could work with him. We know that God walked with Adam and taught/commanded him things.
Gen 2:15 And Jehovah God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to work it and keep it.
Gen 2:16 And Jehovah God commanded the man, saying...
Maybe God was teaching Adam and giving him the knowledge he needed (which he passed on to his generation) of how to develop the advances needed to start the 'civilized' race of people?
Daywalker, the verse in Luke 3:38 "Adam, the son of God," seems similar to what Paul said referring to man as God's "offspring."
Acts 17:28 for in Him we live, and move, and are; as also certain of your poets have said: For of Him also we are offspring.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: indianabob on June 13, 2011, 09:00:29 PM ---mharrell,
It is very hard to conceive of God making a precursor to the carnal being that was to be the ancestor of His only begotten son.
It is hard to imagine the precursor of "adam" as an upright hominid that lived in the wild and ate grass and foraged like a deer reproducing in kind until God chose to add a sentient mind capable of language and awareness of self and its creator.
The whole idea is repugnant.
Indiana Bob
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on June 13, 2011, 02:25:37 PM ---Gen 2:24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh
When the Pharisees approached Jesus to test Him, one of their questions was about marriage & divorce. Jesus quoted this passage of scripture to them in referring to Adam & Eve, who were joined as one.
So when God made this statement, who is the mother that the man (Adam) left to be joined with Eve? Is this further proof that Adam & Eve were not the first humans?
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Bob,
It is not repugnant if it is true. My problem with the first part of Genesis is that I do not know what is literal and what is parable. I lean toward it being a parable.
John
indianabob:
Literal or parable, it still leaves us with the idea that God created a lower animal species that 'evolved" into a man that was the progenitor of Jesus.
OR that God put into place circumstances that left to their natural consequences evolved into a human like being that God then selected to become the progenitor of God's only begotten son. It leaves too much to chance occurrence.
OR if not, then it has God having to experiment with a being that would be suitable to become one made in the image of God.
Why is any of this supposition necessary? Why not have a first couple and then have their children just procreate together and grow a large family of cousins.
I do not see any reason that God could not begin with two people or two rabbits or two deer etc. Why do WE have to complicate something that should be relatively simple? Why do two rabbits have to come from a "lower" animal?
Why do two humans have to come from a tribe or community of less intelligent beings and have God then develop an UPGRADE so to speak. God is perfectly capable of developing a finished product the first time.
Just my never to be humble opinion.
Thank you for your comment John, Indiana Bob
Akira329:
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on June 13, 2011, 02:25:37 PM ---Gen 2:24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh
When the Pharisees approached Jesus to test Him, one of their questions was about marriage & divorce. Jesus quoted this passage of scripture to them in referring to Adam & Eve, who were joined as one.
So when God made this statement, who is the mother that the man (Adam) left to be joined with Eve? Is this further proof that Adam & Eve were not the first humans?
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That does give us more to consider....
The only thing that bothers me about this theory is Eve's existence.
The scriptures make it pretty clear that she came from Adam. If women were around, why a different creation for Eve?
I guess I would be assuming women were around....???
Though Cain found a wife from somewhere....
This also brings up another question....Was marriage between men and women even something done with early man?
It would seem a lot of this is left up to science for an answer.
Antaiwan
dave:
You my friend have opened something that can only have one answer. "..man shall leave his father," I must believe that mans father is his former/creator, " and mother" this can only be the "ground and dust mixed with the mist."
Luk 3:38 the son of Cainan, the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.
I have to believe that man/adams mother is the ground/dust mixed with the mist, and the father is Jehovah
God.
Now the digging begins. I will say right up front, I accept that Genesis is an allagory. I believe that the Bible is a parable. Did all of the written words of the Bible happen, were all the folks, men of God, prophets, an actual real part of how the world, the earth has become what it is. I say yes, there is history. But history, I do not accept is what we are to glean from. It is what HE SAID, WHAT HE DID, and WHAT HE IS GOING TO DO.
I believe that we need to listen and hear and begin with this base, God is Spirit, the Words that I say are spirit, they are life. God is One. This is my trumpet that He as set before me..Eph 4:3 being diligent to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of the peace;
I may stand alone, but as of now I stand. Spirit IS.
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