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Duane:
Rene...you are lucky!  I "got it" just the other day from my sister, who said "You (me) have lived such an imperfect life and don't even go to church to serve God-- and Dad, who was a minister-who gave his whole career to the Lord-and you feel YOU are one of the "few" and Dad and Dwight L. Moody and all the "founding father's" of our religion got it WRONG AND ARE THE "MANY"???  (HUFF!)
I will take the LOF hard copy with me for a week and study it and show you where it is all wrong and that you are "following a new doctrine" and straying from the Lord and Word of God!"
Yep! said I.. She shook her head and walked away in disbelief. 
Hopefully, through reading , the Lord will reveal Himself to her.
The other question people throw at me is:  What and how did all the people believe BEFORE Ray came along with 'his new theology' "
So Rene--if you haven't got STIFF ARMED a few times, maybe you aren't talking about it enuff--but that is not for me to judge.
Duane    :o

Duane:
John/Rene...I understand your points of view and I have ray's article "Saving People for Jesus" in hard copy and I just read it last week again.
I think God called me as a preacher/teacher and gave me an outgoing "salesman personality"--although I won lots of sales contests
I was noted for believing in my product and NOT resorting to being "pushy".  I believed that the definition of a sale is"the transfer of enthusiasm for the product" and I got people to invest in my product because they believed in it-- and me. 
I am the same about Ray and B-T. 
I BELIEVE in the Bible Truths revealed to me on this web site and I am ENTHUSED and I just can't shut up about the truths that I have learned tht freed me from the "Church of Babylon".  SOOO, when the Spirit leads and I feel the opportunity to share what I know--there I gooooo!  I also know that I am doing the right thing because "Yea, and all they that live Godly WILL suffer persecution".  "Bless are ye when men shall revile you and persecute you and say all manner of eviil against you falsely: rejoice! and be exceeding GLAD for great is your reward in heaven for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you".  "Go into all the world and preach the gospel, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and (their) Holy Spirit".
So I use opportunities to share the B-T with anyone who I think will accept it and then let God do the rest.  BUT, I chance "getting bit"
each time I do it--but boo-hoo for me if I suffer a little.  I guess I "figger-if I ain't servin' I ain't suffren".   
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.  Love you all,  Duane

JohnMichael:
Rev 21:3  And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4  And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Two little verses that mean the world to me. With everything else that's in Revelation, these two verses were overlooked in my days in Babylon and Churchianity. Thinking about what these verses really mean brings tears to my eyes. A world that will no longer have pain or diseases or heartache or sorrow or wickedness or death... seems almost like a dream, but it's actually going to happen. It amazes me to even contemplate it.

Samson:
Hi John,

Of particular importance & meaning to Me is the passage from John. Chapter 9 regarding " The Man born Blind." It reminds Me of a good example & object lesson about the principle: First comes the Physical and then comes the Spiritual. Although, not too many people are Born physically blind, even Helen Keller had literal sight for at least approximately 6 Months, it isn't often We hear of anyone Born physically blind. However, All of us are Born spiritually Blind, spiritually immature, spiritually weak & eventually are spiritually deceived with a very few Chosen to receive spiritual enlightenment. Almost the entire Human Race is spiritually Blind to a great or lesser degree, even if not totally. Read passage below from John chapter 9, taken from The Concordant Literal Translation.

Chapter 9
1 And, passing along, He perceived a man, blind from birth.
2 And His disciples ask Him, saying, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents that he should be born blind?"
3 Jesus answered, "Neither this man sinned, nor his parents, but it is that the works of God may be manifested in him.
4 I must be working the works of Him Who sends Me while it is day. Coming is the night, when no one can work.
5 Whenever I may be in the world, I am the Light of the world."
6 Saying these things, He spits on the ground and makes mud out of the spittle, and anoints the blind man on his eyes with the mud,
7 and said to him, "Go, wash in the pool of Siloam" (which is being translated "Commissioned"). He came away, then, and washes, and came, observing.
8 The neighbors, then, and those beholding him formerly, (for he was a beggar) said, "Is not this the one who is sitting and begging?"
9 Others said that "This is he." Yet others said, "No, but he is like him." Yet he said, "I am he."
10 They said, then, to him, "How, then, were your eyes opened?"
11 He answered and said, "The Man Who is termed 'Jesus' makes mud and anoints my eyes and said to me, 'Go to the pool Siloam and wash.' Coming away, then, and washing, I receive sight."
12 And they say to him, "Where is that man?" He is saying, "I am not aware."
13 They are leading him, who once was blind, to the Pharisees.
14 Now it was on a sabbath day that Jesus makes the mud and opens his eyes.
15 Again, then, the Pharisees also asked him how he receives sight. Now he said to them, "He places mud upon my eyes, and I wash, and I am observing."
16 Some of the Pharisees, then, said, "This man is not from God, for he is not keeping the sabbath." Yet others said, "How can a man who is a sinner be doing such signs?" And there was a schism among them.
17 They are saying, then, again to him who once was blind, "What are you saying concerning him, seeing that he opens your eyes?" Now he said that "A prophet is He."
18 The Jews, then, do not believe concerning him, that he was blind and receives sight, till they summon the parents of him who receives sight.
19 And they ask them, saying, "Is this your son, of whom you are saying that he was born blind? How, then, is he observing at present?"
20 His parents, then, answered and say, "We are aware that this is our son and that he was born blind.
21 Yet how he is now observing, we are not aware, or who opens his eyes, we are not aware. Ask him; he has come of age. He will speak concerning himself."
22 These things his parents said, seeing that they feared the Jews, for the Jews had already agreed that if anyone should ever be avowing Him to be Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.
23 Therefore his parents say that "He has come of age. Inquire of him."
24 A second time, then, they summon the man who was blind, and they say to him, "Give the glory to God. We are aware that this man is a sinner."
25 He, then, answered, "If He is a sinner, I am not aware of it. One thing I am aware of, that, being blind, at present I am observing."
26 They said, then, to him, again, "What does he do to you? How does he open your eyes?"
27 He answered them, "I told you already, and you do not hear. Why again are you wanting to hear? Not you also are wanting to become His disciples?"
28 Now they revile him and said, "You are a disciple of that man, yet we are disciples of Moses.
29 We are aware that it was to Moses that God has spoken. Yet this man -- we are not aware whence he is."
30 The man answered and said to them, "For in this is the marvelous thing, that you are not aware whence He is, and He opens my eyes!
31 We are aware that God is not hearing sinners, but if anyone should be a reverer of God and doing His will, him He is hearing.
32 From out of the eon it is not heard that anyone opens the eyes of one born blind.
33 Except this Man were from God, He could not be doing anything."
34 They answered and say to him, "You were wholly born in sins, and you are teaching us!" And they cast him out.
35 Jesus hears that they cast him out, and, finding him, said to him, "Are you believing in the Son of Mankind?"
36 He answered and said, "And Who is He, Lord, that I should be believing in Him?"
37 Now Jesus said to him, "You have also seen Him, and He Who is speaking with you is He."
38 Now he averred, "I am believing, Lord!" And he worships Him.
39 And Jesus said, "For judgment came I into this world, that those who are not observing may be observing, and those observing may be becoming blind."
40 And those of the Pharisees who are with Him hear these things, and they said to Him, "Not we also are blind?"
41 Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have had no sin. Yet now you are saying that 'We are observing.' Your sin, then, is remaining.

Comment: The Pharisees claimed to SPIRITUALLY SEE, but Jesus told them that if They were blind, they would have no Sin, but they claimed to See, so their Sin remained. I believe that this is an example of "The Relative," in regards to Jesus saying: " They would have no Sin." Obviously, All have Sinned, but they(Pharisees) knew that Jesus was the Son of God & came from God as mentioned by Nicodemus at John. This Man Born Blind apparently began to spiritually see to at least a small degree, whether or not He had His eyes spiritually opened more in the days to come, WE DON"Y KNOW. " For this Judgement, I came into the World that those blind would receive sight and those seeing would be made blind.

Chapter 3
1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees, Nicodemus his name, a chief of the Jews.
2 This one came to Him by night and said to Him, "Rabbi, we are aware that Thou art a Teacher come from God, for no one can be doing these signs which Thou art doing, if God should not be with Him."

                             Kind Regards, Samson.

Duane:
Samson...thank you for taking time to share with us and type that lengthy response. (sometimes I don't think we "readers" fully aappreciate the research and typing that goes into the responses that people "donate" for free.  I'm
thinking of Ray, Harrell, Kat and other moderators and members that go "all out" to cover a topic).  And "Bible sponges"
like me, read it and go on our way.
Actually, I am responding to Samson, CLV account of the salvation of the blind man and I notice, as I often do, that the
"30 second 'sinners prayer' "  is nowhere to be found or recorded!
You see it on every tract and hear it at every evangelistic meeting and often on tv--"say it with head bowed and eyes closed and YOU'RE IN (forever and permanently)!!" 
It seems that if that were the "way to go" that if Jesus TAUGHT the disciples to pray in THE LORD'S PRAYER example; that SOMEWHERE in the Bible God would have a model SINNERS 20 SECOND SALVATION PRAYER!   I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER READING OF ANY "ALTER CALLS after the FEEDING OF THE FIVE THOUSAND or SERMON ON THE MOUNT! 
Who made up all this stuff anyway????

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