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Will We Ever 'See' the Father?
Deborah-Leigh:
Transcripts of Ray's Audio's and More Teachings / Re: Mobile Conference 2007 ~ HOW WE GOT THE BIBLE
SCIENCE AND THE MYSTERIES OF GOD
There are so many magical things out there in science. It all goes down to these little things that you can’t see that we call atoms. But then the atom is made of other things. They are made of quartz and things. Then they’ve got alpha and beta quartz. So it just keeps going on and on.
Well it says that God created everything, out of that which does not appear. Yet when we look, the closer we go… Only now can science do that, it couldn’t do that 100 or 200 years ago, now they can.
It’s made out of stuff that once you take the atom apart it’s no longer solid material. Now it’s energy and has no specific shape and it starts to loose it’s weight. How much does a light ray weight?
Well there is another problem. Light is a beam, a particle beam and light is a wave. But it can’t be both, it’s got to be either a beam or a wave. Light is both. Scientist can’t figure it out, how can it be both? It just is, light is both. But it can’t be both, but it is. I mean there is a lot of mysteries out here.
The point is, God is behind it and God made it. He didn’t just make it though, it seems apparent now that He put wisdom into the material itself. Scientist are starting to see that the material itself contains it’s own wisdom. I didn’t say a brain. It doesn’t exactly have a brain, it has built in wisdom. It knows what to do under certain circumstances.
You say, ‘no it just reacts to laws.’ No, that’s what scientist always thought. They are seeing now that it’s way too complicated. What matter does or is capable of accomplishing when it is heated or cooled and interchanges and all that, is way beyond a law. It has it’s own wisdom built in.
It’s like the DNA molecule that tells a fetus what color eyes and hair and male or female. All that information was built into the DNA. The DNA molecule is the most crammed packed piece of intelligent information in the universe. No where in science or in the heavens or stars or mountains or rocks or volcanoes or anywhere is there so much knowledge and information crammed together, as in a DNA molecule. It is so incredible, scientist look at it and it almost scares them. They don’t know what they are seeing, it’s like something out of a science fiction movie. It’s just unbelievable. They thought it was rather simplistic, each one of those simplistic little motions are made up of a million computers. It’s like where does it end?
Some people are kind of afraid of science. But I’m telling you I’m just becoming more and more convinced, you know, bring it on, because it fits..........................
You say, ‘well we thought that God created the heavens and the earth 6000 years ago. Now you are telling us it’s more like 6 billion. My faith is crumbling.’ No, I’m going to build some of that faith back up. You are going to see this first chapter of Genesis falls right in line with what scientists are now seeing. It does not fall in line with what theologians have said for 2000 years. It does not. But it does fall in line with true science, it absolutely does.
Dave in Tenn:
You can mix me up with Craig any time, but I don't know if Craig would appreciate the reverse. :D
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These days, I can watch a science program or read an article and think on the 'whatsoever things are beautiful' apects of it--Arcturus' link a case in point. I still have to recognze that in all the branches of science there are not only new breakthroughs, but competing and sometimes contradictory theories...though not all, by a long shot. There are differences in thinking between scientists in cosmology, in general physics , in theoretical physics, in quantum mechanics, and in every active branch. They're not done yet...a point made by Grapehound. I'm not casting my lot 'by faith' with any of them, though it's 'fun' and even enriching to think about these things.
Of course I believe as Ray teaches that true science and scripture don't contradict, and that 'what is clearly seen' informs us about how God is working in His creation. I don't disagree with anything in the above quotation (except for the spelling of 'quarks' ;) ). I've learned not to recieve every teaching that comes along when it comes to spirituality. You're not going to find me in a pentacostal camp-meeting, for one example. Science has its own 'method' for determining what is true. That's what science IS--method. sci·en·tif·ic meth·od Noun: A method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
On many things, the jury is still out, and it seems premature to pronounce judgement on my own--who is not a jury-member--by 'faith' or 'feeling'. The one who thinks himself wise becomes a fool when he's shown he wasn't so wise after all. Just me talking, but even when it's hard to bear, I LIKE those moments that have happened in my life thus far. That's what this 'LIFE' thing is all about. :D
In the twilight zone of my life between believing that 'other gospel' and believing the Gospel, I saw a film called something like "Where the [bleep] are We?". It came out just as theories in quantum physics began to seep out of the scientists' symposiums and into the public's awareness. Even so close to these 'breakthroughs', there was a religion forming around it and a spokesperson for it...a bald-headed woman in robes, as I recall.
There is more light in the world than in religion. When religion enters the picture, everything turns dark. I don't like to debate science. I just try to understand it. I have no argument with anybody unless they believe that we should EMBRACE false science and false spirituality. That's not happening here.
Duane:
DNA/RNA are so divinely complicated and compact that I doubt God would make such "wonders" and then make 90% of DNA "junk".
I would rather think that it is valuable and useful but WE don't yet understand it. I was taught in H.S. that the appendix was an example of a "vestigial organ" (meaning an unnecessary organ) left over from the evolutionary process. We later learned that the
appendix had a definite purpose--years to come the "junk DNA" will find purpose also. God doesn't create junk!
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Dave~ :)
We are still not finished metamorphosising into that pure and perfect image and presence, fully flooded by God Himself!’
Eph 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us...
It is absolutely delightful to see you put your best food forward that blesses and demonstrates your thinking capacity to discern matters of belief.
You pinpoint new direction with acute discernment that commands Satan get behind the rotten banana into the equation or false belief or fears of deception, for the light has got to shine!
Fear is a syndrome that puts paralysis into the realms of religion which you so astutely and learnedly present as being quote “There is more light in the world than in religion. When religion enters the picture, everything turns dark.” Unquote.
That’s when we come in...when everything turns dark! Perfect love casts out fear and here is where the fuzzy stuffing of loves soft underbelly has to show up not as bearing the teeth of a snarling wolf but as a true feeling of gratitude that we are not alone, we have brothers and sisters and God in His Great Wisdom made a Son and many sons and daughters to follow!
The bigger the love the bigger the family and I’m not talking about Angelina Jolie or Brad Pit!
Dave, I’ve never seen you looking so good. You have a wonderful ability to write and to edify with soundness of mind. that God makes everything that is beautiful and perfect of you and credit goes where credit is due.
As a daughter of God Himself, I can honestly say, I look for the sibling identity of Father in and of our Glorious Big Brother, in the likeness we bear to them. They are the givers and creators of our joys, abilities and skills and these are the points of their Light within US.
Did you see what Ray noted about LIGHT?
Science has found out that light is both a light wave AND a particle beam! I don’t intend to blow you away or take any particles out of anyone yet WOW...That's Science!..as in...
I am the Alpha AND the Omega....
You have talents, God made, God fashioned, God created tallents that shine in your presentation to the Forum.
The thing about salt...I’d rather be the Light of the world and join the Light in my brothers and sisters....salt is scattered. Light scatters the dark.. yet hey...consider this...that particle, the beam particle that Scientists have reported...might be the SALT!
Jesus did not declare Himself to be the "salt" but the LIGHT of the world....maybe we are salt morphing into LIGHT...being a pillar of salt is not good....not good at all...~ :D
You my dear brother are the light of the world.... Science agrees with Jesus and the Word of our Father agees!~ ;) :)
Arc
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Duane
The faith and confidence that Father doesn't make mistakes or make junk, is a Hall Mark of His Light!
Way to go dear brother!
Arc
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