Nope nope; cause Deuteronomy 6:4 reveals that: "hear, O Israel! YAHWEH (or the Yahweh, how ray put it)is our ELOHIM, Yahweh (or the Yahweh) IS ONE". Now its truly on this site that its pointed out that JESUS is The YAHWEH of the Scriptures, which I still don't put together but I'm not far from it. Because ELOHIM and YAHWEH are used seperate in Scripture. Now Kate you know that Elohim is used in the Plural and how else would RAY explain where it says US in Genesis a couple of times and that Exodus. AND the ONENESS and at the same time "OBVIOUS" plurality is found in Scriptures like this, "that they all may be one, just as WE ARE ONE; I in them and YOU IN ME (do we all see that?)...so that the world may know that You SENT ME, and loved them, even as You have loved me" (John 17:22-23) and "I and the Father are one (in essence, spirit however u take it) but word usage gives us "I" AND the Father". I see he didn't use The Yahweh or God: but the Father. And its the Jews who were beginning to stone Jesus for "making himself out [to be] God. He didn't even deny their claim. He says, "do you say of Him, whom the Father (NOT GOD, very important) sanctified and sent into the world, you are blaspheming, because I said, I AM THE SON OF GOD?" THEN goes on to say "that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father." (John 10:30-38). Now that does not reveal TWO Gods but a duality consisting of one God. Not saying I agree everything of a binity or whatever. doctrine it claims to be. No not two Gods. Shema says Yahweh or Elohim is ONE YAHWEH. And that agrees with acts when peter said, "but put TO DEATH the Prince of Life, WHOM GOD RAISED FROM THE DEAD" (3:15). Jesus says He was the Son of God, the Son of the Father: He was put to death (can the Father Die?? No, Jesus is not the Fathr). Oh I think this concept has been made harder than it is. I obviously see NO trinity (I see that's obsurd) and No two Gods. And we can't contradict "Let us...", "what are we that u murmur against us" we can't contradict those. And Jesus speaking of Him and His Father. And that he was Human, man, id better yet, "though he were a Son, He learned obedience through the things which suffered"(Heb5:
and he PRAYED. He was man, God WITH US. And that would also explain, "THIS JESUS GOD RAISED UP AGAIN ...." (Acts2:32). And quotes a obvious DUAL Scripture and explains it, "Therefore let all Israel know for certain that God has MADE HIM BOTH LORD AND CHRIST - THIS JESUS WHOM YOU CRUCIFIED" verse34-36. Whatever papaer ray is putting together he can't deny the many verses in acts which boldly state, "Jesus the Nazerene, a man attested to you BY GOD...which GOD PERFORMED Through Him". Ahhhh it slowly begins making sense to me. Hebrews reveal the Son as God as well, "...therefore God, YOUR GOD, has anointed You..."(Heb1:8-9). Still not TWO GODS just One Essence, Plural God because of the Honest usage of Elohim (PLURALITY) and the Oneness of Yahweh. Not to just jump out and yell Duality but dang, Did Jesus not say Him and the Father. Now unless Ray goes against those scriptures and still proclaim somehow that Jesus and the Father are connected some other way; then I am forever lost. Cause I only see what scripture sees, "I will be a Father to Him and He shall be a Son to Me" (Heb1:5). And someone else pointed out Ephesians 5:31-32, "and the TWO (husband and wife) shall become ONE flesh. This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christian and the church. So the concept of Two being one is used...why isit thrown out when it implies the Father and Son when Hebrews 1 still stands???
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