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Will We Ever 'See' the Father?
Rene:
--- Quote from: newgene87 on January 13, 2012, 08:46:54 AM ---Now unless Ray goes against those scriptures and still proclaim somehow that Jesus and the Father are connected some other way; then I am forever lost.
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The relationship between the Father and Jesus is truly a fascinating subject and is obviously "deeper" than we ever imagined! :)
Ray introduced an interesting word when speaking on this subject in his email entitled "olam and ad; an inquiry::
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,13773.0.html
And so all of the Scriptures harmonize and agree if we get rid of all that "for ever and ever and ever" nonsense. Jesus
reigns by incarnation for a period of time. He reigns with all of the power, dignity, and character, of God Almighty. This
includes being a "Father" to the nations of the world. Jesus said: "When you see me you see THE FATHER." The Father
is God. And so Jesus could have just as well said: "When you see Me YOU SEE GOD!" Why not? The "Father" IS God.
How can we see God the Father (in the incarnation of Jesus) if the Father is not God? So when we see God, we see
the Father (but only through incarnation, seeing that the Father God is INVISIBLE SPIRIT). And since the Father is God,
when we see the Father in Christ, we see God in Christ, WE SEE GOD. That may be as close as we ever come to
actually seeing God. I will be covering this in more detail if I ever finish my paper: "Solving the Enigma of God."
God be with you,
Ray
The definition of "incarnation" (Merriam-Webster Dictionary):
a (1): the embodiment of a deity or spirit in some earthly form (2): the union of divinity with humanity in Jesus Christ
This gave me something else to consider as I am also trying to understand this amazing relationship. :)
René
newgene87:
GLORIOUS RENE. Thank you for that
JD:
Hi folks - sorry to jump late on this thread....but I gotta say (and I've grumbled to the Lord about this) I can't be alone in thinking this (tell me I'm not alone people!)...where was I...oh yeah, complaining..
What frustrates me most about this whole Nature of God stuff (apart for impatiently waiting for Rays article) is this - Is knowing God REALLY THAT FLAMING COMPLICATED!? Lol! I mean, Did Paul have the answer? Did any of the disciples? Did the early church get it and now centuries on we've lost it. Is God's Word such a riddle that no-one understands who he is..I mean truth be told as far as apostate Christianity goes, God ain't telling no-one in a hurry apart from a very, very select few...see where I'm coming from? Why oh why Lord, the mystery, the enigma - how many/few have actually worshiped in Spirit and in truth(not that I'm suggesting an Occam's Razor approach here) but really??? Right - that feels better.
I'm off to bed, brow furrowed!
J.D.
Gina:
--- Quote from: JD on January 23, 2012, 04:27:51 AM ---Hi folks - sorry to jump late on this thread....but I gotta say (and I've grumbled to the Lord about this) I can't be alone in thinking this (tell me I'm not alone people!)...where was I...oh yeah, complaining..
What frustrates me most about this whole Nature of God stuff (apart for impatiently waiting for Rays article) is this - Is knowing God REALLY THAT FLAMING COMPLICATED!? Lol! I mean, Did Paul have the answer? Did any of the disciples? Did the early church get it and now centuries on we've lost it. Is God's Word such a riddle that no-one understands who he is..I mean truth be told as far as apostate Christianity goes, God ain't telling no-one in a hurry apart from a very, very select few...see where I'm coming from? Why oh why Lord, the mystery, the enigma - how many/few have actually worshiped in Spirit and in truth(not that I'm suggesting an Occam's Razor approach here) but really??? Right - that feels better.
I'm off to bed, brow furrowed!
J.D.
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Too funny~lol Dats right!
Kat:
Hi JD,
--- Quote ---What frustrates me most about this whole Nature of God stuff (apart for impatiently waiting for Rays article) is this - Is knowing God REALLY THAT FLAMING COMPLICATED!? Lol! I mean, Did Paul have the answer? Did any of the disciples? Did the early church get it and now centuries on we've lost it.
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I have wondered that very thing. I certainly believe the Paul and the Apostles understood the nature of God. I have to believe that they gained that understanding from the time they spent with Jesus, but it may not have been fully understood until later on. But they certainly spoke in the Scriptures clearly of these things. But down through the generations it seems that Believers make have been so scathered and few... but we do know there was some believers to carry the truth forwards in every generation. But we are so blessed at this time that we can discuss these things with people all over the world and certainly have an increase of knowledge.
Dan 12:4 But you, O Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, even to the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Maybe God is bringing out more Believers at this time, and this increase of knowledge coincides with that (intentionally), so that we can benefit.
--- Quote ---Why oh why Lord, the mystery, the enigma - how many/few have actually worshiped in Spirit and in truth(not that I'm suggesting an Occam's Razor approach here) but really???
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This enigma of God's nature must be a mystery, because the world does not and cannot know Him in this age. But maybe there is a rejuvenation of His truth and that is what we are experiencing in this generation. Just some thoughts.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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