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"Soul Sleep"
G. Driggs:
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;
1Pe 3:19 in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison,
1Pe 3:20 who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.
1Pe 3:21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you--not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience--through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Added verse 21 because it gives clues as to what these verses are referring to. It is not that Jesus went and preached to those who died in the flood, but that the flood was a type/shadow of spiritual baptism that cleans us of sin.
It seems that the use of the word "prison" in these verses is another name for "practicing sinners".
Thankfully these verses do not stand alone, or else I would have still believed Jesus went on some preaching mission in hell immediately after He died. This is something I used to actually preach to others before finding BT, so I can relate to you being perplexed.
Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, Because the LORD has anointed me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives And freedom to prisoners;
This prophecy in Isa. was actually fulfilled BEFORE Jesus was killed and resurrected.
Luk 4:17 And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the book and found the place where it was written,
Luk 4:18 "THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME, BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR. HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES, AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND, TO SET FREE THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED,
Luk 4:19 TO PROCLAIM THE FAVORABLE YEAR OF THE LORD."
Luk 4:20 And He closed the book, gave it back to the attendant and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on Him.
Luk 4:21 And He began to say to them, "Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing."
Hope this helps,
G.Driggs
Revilonivek:
--- Quote from: Ian on June 30, 2011, 01:45:59 PM ---Hello,
I have a question regarding what happens when one dies. Now, I believe that when one dies, they are dead not alive somewhere else; "sleeping" until resurrection.
Recently, however, I have come across some confusing passages and was hoping that you could (would) please help me?
The Scriptural support I have for "soul sleep" (a term which is actually a misnomer), are the following verses: Ps. 115:17, Ps. 6:5, Ps. 146:6, Is. 38:18a, Joshua 1:1-2, Job 14:13-14, Ps. 49:15, Ecclesiastes 9:10, 1 Corinthians 15:18-19, 1 Thes. 4:13-14,...
However, while researching the subject, I ran across some verses the other night that perplexed me. They are: Hebrews 9:27, 2 Corinthians 5:6-8, Philippians 1:23, 2 Corinthians 12:4, 1 Peter 3:18-20...
I still believe in this doctrine, but I'm pretty confused right now. Please help me.
Ian.
P.S. Yes, I have read Ray's material regarding this "doctrine". That is why I believe what I do.
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Yeah. The account of Paul's experience mentioned in 2 Corinthians 12:4, he explained it in depth in an gospel that was removed. He talked about what he saw during his experience in that removed gospel. I think that experience occurred when he was stoned and left for dead. (found in Acts)And what's interesting is that Paul mentioned he visited third heaven in 2 Corinthians 12:4, the theology of different heavens were also explained in depth in 2 enoch that was also removed(almost included but wasn't) it actually quotes scriptures from jude that is in the bible too. There's many details that was removed that may have made some scriptures make more sense.
Sorry I couldn't be much help,
Denise
daywalker:
--- Quote from: G. Driggs on June 30, 2011, 06:00:38 PM ---1Pe 3:18 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;
1Pe 3:19 in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison,
1Pe 3:20 who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.
1Pe 3:21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you--not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience--through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Added verse 21 because it gives clues as to what these verses are referring to. It is not that Jesus went and preached to those who died in the flood, but that the flood was a type/shadow of spiritual baptism that cleans us of sin.
It seems that the use of the word "prison" in these verses is another name for "practicing sinners".
Thankfully these verses do not stand alone, or else I would have still believed Jesus went on some preaching mission in hell immediately after He died. This is something I used to actually preach to others before finding BT, so I can relate to you being perplexed.
Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, Because the LORD has anointed me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives And freedom to prisoners;
This prophecy in Isa. was actually fulfilled BEFORE Jesus was killed and resurrected.
Luk 4:17 And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the book and found the place where it was written,
Luk 4:18 "THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME, BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR. HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES, AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND, TO SET FREE THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED,
Luk 4:19 TO PROCLAIM THE FAVORABLE YEAR OF THE LORD."
Luk 4:20 And He closed the book, gave it back to the attendant and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on Him.
Luk 4:21 And He began to say to them, "Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing."
Hope this helps,
G.Driggs
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Thanks!! :)
Ian:
--- Quote from: daywalker on June 30, 2011, 05:38:03 PM ---
Hello Ian, welcome to the BT Forum!
Hebrews 9:27-28 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so also Christ died once for all time as a sacrifice to take away the sins of many people. He will come again, not to deal with our sins, but to bring salvation to all who are eagerly waiting for him.
Not sure what the confusion is here, this passage is pretty self-explanatory. Everyone dies; then those who face judgment are resurrected in the "resurrection to judgment". (John 5:29; Acts 24:15) Can you please explain what confuses you?
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My confusion stemmed from the fact that orthodoxy makes it seem like when you die, you're immediately judged.
I did think of your truth, though (after one dies, resurrection, then judgment).
--- Quote ---Yeah. The account of Paul's experience mentioned in 2 Corinthians 12:4, he explained it in depth in an gospel that was removed. He talked about what he saw during his experience in that removed gospel. I think that experience occurred when he was stoned and left for dead. (found in Acts)And what's interesting is that Paul mentioned he visited third heaven in 2 Corinthians 12:4, the theology of different heavens were also explained in depth in 2 enoch that was also removed(almost included but wasn't) it actually quotes scriptures from jude that is in the bible too. There's many details that was removed that may have made some scriptures make more sense.
Sorry I couldn't be much help,
Denise
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Thank you for this insight! I was aware about Jude quoting Enoch, and perhaps II Peter, but I never knew about that other gospel.
Thank you all for answering!
G. Driggs:
--- Quote from: daywalker on June 30, 2011, 07:16:03 PM ---
Thanks!! :)
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No prob. And thank you daywalker, you've been a real inspiration to me lately. I'm not just saying that either. You and ALL here at BT are very much appreciated.
Good questions Ian. :)
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