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Adam and Eve
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Revilonivek on July 05, 2011, 03:34:26 PM ---okay here's scripture from the Rotherham Emphasized bible..
65:16 So that he who blesseth himself in the earth, Will bless himself in the God of faithfulness, And he who sweareth in the earth Will swear by the God of faithfulness - Because the former troubles have been forgotten, and Because they are hid from mine eyes.
65:17For, behold me! Creating new heavens, and a new earth, - And the former shall not be mentioned, neither shall they come up on the heart,
here'es another, from Ecclesiastes. Rotherham Empasized Bible
Ecclesiastes 1:9-11
9 That which hath been, is the same that shall be, and, that which hath been done, is the same that shall be done, - and there is, nothing new, under the sun. 10 Is there a thing, of which it can be said, See here, it is, new? Already, hath it been, for ages, it is something which was before us. 11 There is, no remembrance, of the thing before, - nor, even of the things after, which shall be, will there be any remembrance, with them who shall come after.
Maybe he's just talking about the present time, his time. Maybe I'm wrong. throughout scriptures, you can find scriptures that God commands we are not to remember the former things, for they passed away.
Here's another interesting information I came across: Isaiah 65:20
I think he is comparing what it will be like in the new world to come, comparing it to this current world.
100 yrs. in this world is a lifetime to us, but in the new heavens and new earth 100 yrs. is like being a infant or a
child in the new world. Cool huh?
20.There shall be thenceforward, no more, A suckling of a few days, or an elder Who filleth not up his days, - But, a youth a hundred years old, may die, Yea a sinner a hundred years old, shall he accursed,
--- End quote ---
Denise, it seems like you're reaching in trying to prove your point. Another word for remembrance is 'memorial or reminder', it's doesn't always mean to simply remember.
Read through the entire chapter of Ecclesiastes. All the works of mankind have been done before, not all literally but definitely spiritually in our hearts. The 'lusts of the flesh' has been in us from the beginning and will continue until the end of the age. That's what it means by 'nothing new under the sun'.
But do we 'remember' all these things which have been done? Yes we do, all the great tragedies in human history have scores of books written about them, memorials built across the world, constant reminders throughout society. But what do they profit us? We still continue in our 'lusts of the flesh' as if we have no 'remembrance'. It's because we don't keep these things in our hearts as a remembrance/reminder/memorial. God says there is no 'remembrance' with them who shall come after, they don't keep it in their hearts.
Everyone remembers 9/11 but few have actually kept that compassion they felt for one another in their hearts since. There is no 'remembrance', nor shall they be for those who come after [Ecc 1:11].
Marques
John from Kentucky:
God is in the process of creating mankind in God's image. Gen. 1:27 Or, in other words, God is reproducing Himself after His own kind.
One thing that is necessary for a God is to have knowledge of good and evil. "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil..." Gen. 3:22
Therefore, we will retain our knowledge of good and evil, which we learn in this life, the hard way, by experience.
Joel:
The nature of the tree is, "tree of the knowledge of"---good and evil.
Genesis 2:9
I don't see where it says they ate from the "tree of life" that was also there.
Rebellion brings judgement and separation from God's presence, Jesus dieing on the cross and our faith in him, brings us back to God.
We will remember that Christ died for us no doubt, don't think God keeps bringing up our past sins, where is the forgiveness there?
Roman's 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Philippians 3:13
Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
Something to ponder.
Proverbs 30:20
Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness.
Only thing that keeps our sins ever before us, is not repenting. :)
Joel
Revilonivek:
9 That which hath been, is the same that shall be, and, that which hath been done, is the same that shall be done, - and there is, nothing new, under the sun. 10 Is there a thing, of which it can be said, See here, it is, new? Already, hath it been, for ages, it is something which was before us. 11 There is, no remembrance, of the thing before, - nor, even of the things after, which shall be, will there be any remembrance, with them who shall come after.
Marques,
I think you are right, however we say things like this now because We tend to remember things that hurts us more than remember things that are good. We are not evolved enough yet. That is the problem. When the scriptures say former things passes away, we remember it no more... in the heart or mind, How can we be evolved spiritually if we remember sins of our own and others and still be stuck somewhere. We cannot truly forgive if we remember their iniquities.
I think what the scriptures mean is that in the next world, it will no longer be a priority to remember the former things, as it will be deemed trivial in the next world. as a heart that is pure, it cannot hold on to these things. as it is said in isaiah 65:20, a whole lifetime in this world is likened to a infant or young child in the next world... In this world, Can you remember the things that you do as a child or a baby? have you ever met a 4 year old that holds sin against you... not one. their heart is too pure. even though they experienced it, they don't hold it against you for very long because they love you more than the sin itself. it is not even a priority in the next world.. We may remember that we lived a horrible life, a life full of hardships, but that's it. It's trivial compared to what is to come in the next world. Jesus himself said we are not entering the next world as an adult, he said, we are to enter the next world as a child.
That's just my two cents. :)
mharrell08:
Sometimes I don't know if you are sincerely asking a question or using a question as an outlet to bring outside teaching. You never seem to take responses from forum members into consideration...you just go to another 'question' in which you spend more time explaining what you believe rather than actually asking anything.
How can we come to together in the unity of the spirit if everything's open to one's own interpretation? When everyone wants their own interpretation of the scriptures to be right, it creates division.
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