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Adam and Eve
DougE6:
I think here is a case where we need to keep in mind the greater, however. What is the greater? LOVE. Co 13:8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. That verse is very powerful and almost shocking in its strength. It fits in very well with a preceding verse.... 1Co 13:2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
Clearly, all this knowledge we are gaining, is suboordinate to LOVE. Incredibly suboordinate. Yet it is very necessary to gain it, this knowlege. Otherwise God would not of done all this, gone through all this effort and time. And the very great cost, both to Him and to us.
So, I think the answer is....the knowledge is necessary to KNOW LOVE in its fullness! But once love is fully known, it is so suboordinate as to be of no consequence, in comparison! I think to know Love in its fullness, we have to understand forgiveness, grace, mercy, courage, truth, sacrifice, and all these other components of love. And this understanding takes wrestling with evil. But the greatest by far is LOVE itself. That is why we are not too spend too much time and energy on merely gaining knowledge that we have, but how much we are acting in love towards our fellow human beings.
onelovedread:
I agree, Doug. Yesterday I was thinking that this forum represents the only avenue of fellowship for many who have "come out of her and be ye separate" from the babylonian church system. Sometimes there are some gems among the posts that inspire and spur us to go deeper. However, many times it seems to me that some are trying to score points for self glory, while others ask questions that do not appear to be helpful for spiritual growth. If we could be mindful of those like me who may not be so established and who are struggling to keep up, I think it would be helpful. On Ray's website, he issues an invitation to this forum. Let's always strive to make sure that our General Discussions are useful and helpful and that they point towards the Father and His Son. Ok I'll shut up now.
John from Kentucky:
Love toward fellow human beings is not the most important thing. It is the 2nd commandment: You shall love your neighbor as you love yourself.
The 1st and primary commandment is to love God with your whole heart, mind, soul, and being. The scriptures say to love God you need to keep His commandments. Love towards God is obedience. To know God's commandments you need knowledge of what they are. So it all seems to go in a circle. Knowledge---Commandments---Obedience---- equals Love. Everything is One. It all starts and ends with God.
God has knowledge of good and evil. So must we. That is why God has created us as is. To know good and evil we must experience it (eat the fruit of the tree).
Revilonivek:
Marques-
Sorry if I am confusing you with my intentions.
Believe me, I take all responses into consideration. I do. They all have helped me. There are walls already in my heart that I have to work at too.
I am hearing impaired. What I have is profound hearing loss in both ears. I learn by asking questions. I learn with observation of things around me. I learn through kinetic energy, I learn with my hands. I am very perceptive. I learn from circumstances. I learn from feedback. I don't learn by just reading without feedback. I apologize for that, Marques.
I feel you all are my family. I keep visiting bible-truths forum since 2006. It's the drive that God puts in me. I don't know why. I just don't learn from reading alone. You direct me to papers all the time and say, to read it and the rest will take care of it. It is not how I learn. I learn through feedback, discussions, etc. It is the way I am. My intention is to learn.. not fight against you. I may be stubborn at times, but don't you see.. I keep coming back. God hasn't given up on me. It is like he is saying, you can't leave yet.
So please bear with me. You may think, oh no, not another newbie to deal with and shoot them down. but I ask you this... Please have patience with me, as God has patience for me. He has directed me to your forum for many years, so there must be a good reason for this.
So, please have alot of patience with me.
Denise
acomplishedartis:
When an good artist starts out with his painting he usually already have an idea of how is it going to end, and every brush he gives is good. Sometimes while working on a painting somebody can come and say that it is ugly an imperfect because they think is finished, when in reality the artist is just starting out.
And if the artist is the best artist of the Cosmos, His final work will be perfect and every brushing that He is doing is very good for it's final purpose ....After all, WE are His beautiful workmanship...
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