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Adam and Eve
Revilonivek:
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--- Quote ---hese thoughts will get you thrown out of just about every Christian church that I'm aware of.
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So true. Why is that so hard for them to grasp? It is pretty plain that God is creating us in His image to be His children. Christ is the first born of creation and as the son of the Father he has been perfected. Now God is creating and perfecting more children, we know we are perfected through suffering, pain and experience. Why is it such a leap to conclude Jesus was perfected the same way? Don't you think God knows what He is doing and Christ was the example for us all?
Craig
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Yes. Seems fairly straightforward. Jesus is the blueprint and mold for the 1st of the creation. Everybody else is patterned after Him. The Father seems to know what He is doing.
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Yes, John. I know that to be true. He is exactly the blueprint we need. He has been there once. So, he knows the way. Easily said than done but yes, We just have to adopt that blueprint into our being. Jesus told nicodemus in johns that he needs to be lifted up just like Moses in numbers 21 lifted up the snake to save the afflicted. People Will understand one day why it is necessary. We are all in the dark spiritually and looking for that light to lead us out. It will happen.
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Revilonivek on July 12, 2011, 07:36:03 AM ---
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on July 08, 2011, 05:25:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: Craig on July 08, 2011, 01:15:58 PM ---
--- Quote ---hese thoughts will get you thrown out of just about every Christian church that I'm aware of.
--- End quote ---
So true. Why is that so hard for them to grasp? It is pretty plain that God is creating us in His image to be His children. Christ is the first born of creation and as the son of the Father he has been perfected. Now God is creating and perfecting more children, we know we are perfected through suffering, pain and experience. Why is it such a leap to conclude Jesus was perfected the same way? Don't you think God knows what He is doing and Christ was the example for us all?
Craig
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Yes. Seems fairly straightforward. Jesus is the blueprint and mold for the 1st of the creation. Everybody else is patterned after Him. The Father seems to know what He is doing.
--- End quote ---
Yes, John. I know that to be true. He is exactly the blueprint we need. He has been there once. So, he knows the way. Easily said than done but yes, We just have to adopt that blueprint into our being. Jesus told nicodemus in johns that he needs to be lifted up just like Moses in numbers 21 lifted up the snake to save the afflicted. People Will understand one day why it is necessary. We are all in the dark spiritually and looking for that light to lead us out. It will happen.
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Hi Denise,
Just a couple of comments. You say, "We just have to adopt that blueprint into our being." We don't do the adopting. The Father drags us to Jesus without even asking our permission. (Who does He think He is? ;D) Then Jesus and the Father put their imprint on us. We don't have a say in the matter. God can be very persuasive, just ask the Apostle Paul.
Also, we are all not in the dark spiritually. To the extent God decides, some are coming into the light spiritually.
John
dave:
Very good and interesting post. Thanks :)
Revilonivek:
Thanks John! You are right. God does the adopting. Not us doing the adopting. Just pointing out that we will not be complete till we have the same mapping Jesus has. It's a long process, but maybe to God, we are still in the gestation period. Some are born early before others, some are born late but eventually everyone will be born. :)
DougE6:
Yes, God does drag us to Jesus. But that dragging process, does not mean we are not involved! Here is an analogy. If you get a bad diagnosis, that you had cancer, would you say "God the Father does everything. Therefore I will not seek out doctors. I will not seek any medical attention. I will not change my diet. I will not fight this with all that I know in my limited power and strength If God the Father wants to heal me, or if Jesus wants to, they are very good at what they do. They can heal me. In the meantime, I will sit on this couch and watch TV, until God the Father heals me. After all, He does it all. I don't need to lift a finger" Is that what you would say? Somehow I don't see Ray acting with that attitude in his approach to His cancer. And God is really doing a great work in keeping him alive. But I bet Ray is really really trying his best. I don't like all this talk that implies we dont need to try our best. Just because God does the work, does not for one second, relieve us of our part to do our best with our whole heart, We are not to sit on the couch, and say "God the Father does it all. I am not going to do a thing. Not a thing to help others, to do good works, to struggle and pray for righteousness. Tp preach to others. To do the works of God" And if I am doing it imperfectly, as I do not see as clearly as Jesus did, while on the earth, God will help me see clearer and clearer, as I strive in all things to obey Him and His word.
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