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"and the lust of the eyes"
GaryK:
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The problem isn't wanting something you are looking at. It's wanting it over any and everything else in your life. That's when it becomes a 'lust'.
Hope this helps,
Marques
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"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." Albert Einstein
Marques:
You're too young to remember an 'E.F. Hutton' moment, but if you weren't you'd know......like I do......that was one of'em.
Meaty morsel. Lips smacking.
Keep talking, I'm listening.
gk
jingle52:
Amen to that Kat, wise words indeed. We worship God by appreciating the work of His Hands! And what exquisite workmanship! All things in the heavens above and in the earth below, in the air and in the oceans….
Just an observation - Ray also mentions that Eve, just looking at that fruit, committed all three sins even before she ate it. 8)
It does not say however, that she wanted it over and above everything else...the tempter did his job he was made to do (was she tempted once only or many times over to convince her to eat it)?
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: jingle52 on July 08, 2011, 03:27:50 AM ---It does not say however, that she wanted it over and above everything else...the tempter did his job he was made to do (was she tempted once only or many times over to convince her to eat it)?
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It may not say those exact words, but that is exactly what happened. Eve knew the commandment from God but lusted after all the temptations the fruit offered ["the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise' - Gen 3:6]. She placed her lusts over what she knew was wrong.
The scriptures do not say if she became deceived over time or in one instance.
Revilonivek:
excellent question, Jingle52.
I wonder about that too. The answers we are given do make sense but it raises more questions.
We all know we are tempted everyday with everything that goes on around us in everyday life. How do we prevent ourselves from sinning? Ray says being tempted is a sin. We know everything contributes to a temptation, it doesn't work separately. If you have lust, you are tempted, You have thoughts, desires, you are tempted regardless in some form. Good or bad, we are tempted. You cannot be tempted if you do not have any other reason to be tempted.
I think what the adam and eve story is referring to is our human nature. It points out imperfections of human nature and it continues to this very day. We are tempted constantly. How can we stop ourselves from being tempted at all? Eve was tempted by her desire.
How do we avoid being tempted at all?
How can we have lust and not temptation. These pairs come together, not separately. we cannot have lust(desire) unless we are tempted as well. We have thoughts all the time, it tempts us all the time.. maybe the real solution to not being tempted, is not to think... only Obey. Maybe Eve sinned by thinking about it instead of giving in and obey.
Does this mean God wants to weed out human nature and have no temptation toward anything?
Obviously, the real culprit is satan, causing the temptation. Causing us to "sin" since the beginning.
Maybe God's plan is to help us weed out the satan consciousness out of our nature.
Like Kat pointed out earlier in a different post, that Satan is a spirit, never found to be physical throughout the bible. I think satan may refer to our "evil" part of our consciousness. Satan is called the tempter in the bible.
How do we stop, weed out what has always been part of human nature? That means denying your whole human existence, who you are in order to do it. Jesus said we are to deny ourselves or we cannot follow. It is very hard to accomplish something like this in a world like the one we live in. For example. I am sure one of you use to smoke at one point and know how hard it was to quit. You do it by not hanging out with other smokers, otherwise it'll be very difficult to quit. We stop smoking by resisting giving in, and eventually it slows down and in a few years, it's not that bad and you're stronger to fight the temptation.
Jesus said it plainly.. resist and it will flee from you. So resisting is the key.
Jesus was tempted in the wilderness. He THOUGHT about taking over the world...but he resisted. I think it helps a great deal to resist if you have divine knowledge like Jesus did. He did it because he had it. Maybe that is the reason why only the elect will make it in this life time. because the "elect" receive divine knowledge like Jesus did, in order to resist. The proper tools to fight and overcome in a world like this is essential.
so for the rest, it is futile to resist human nature without the proper tools. Just my observation.
Thoughts?
Denise
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Revilonivek on July 08, 2011, 07:49:38 AM ---Like Kat pointed out earlier in a different post, that Satan is a spirit, never found to be physical throughout the bible. I think satan may refer to our "evil" part of our consciousness. Satan is called the tempter in the bible.
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FYI: http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11604.msg117002.html#msg117002
This is a theory that comes up 2-3 times a year. It has no scriptural basis as well as contradicts almost the entire Bible.
--- Quote from: Revilonivek on July 08, 2011, 07:49:38 AM ---Jesus was tempted in the wilderness. He THOUGHT about taking over the world...but he resisted.
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I've never read anywhere that Jesus thought of taking over the world. Why would He even think such when He gave up all power & glory so He could be fashioned into a man in order to die? He knew He would receive back all power and glory.
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