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Judgment in the Next Age
indianabob:
Duane,
One thought comes to mind reference your sister and other like her.
If she is not called in this life then she is still living under the written law.
Also are all others who are not called living under the written law.
That is why they should not live wickedly.
We who are called in this life are no longer living under the written law IF
so be that we live according to the spirit of love.
So, I suppose that you could think of your sister's situation as that of suffering under the provisions of the law however it may be applied in her situation.
And also everyone else who is not living according to the spirit of love, BECAUSE they have not yet been called of God to receive a new heart of understanding.
Isn't that why we are admonished to remain in Christ and to not fall away and bring ourselves once again under the written law?
Just thinking out loud. Correction welcome
Bob
--- Quote from: Duane on July 17, 2011, 10:59:53 PM ---As usual God, I believe, will provide, thru you, the answers for which I was searching! My sister is real troubled by the fact that "all will be saved" so is the punishment going to be sufficient punishment to punish the "wicked"?? Why not live wickedly in this life if you are going to obtain salvation "in the end" anyway?! Isn't that a terrible attitude that certainly DOESN'T encompass "loving your neighbor"? She doesn't trust God to be JUST in punishng those SHE believes should be harshly punished! No literal HELL means no ETERNAL punishment that she thinks people deserve! I can't wait to read Ray's article! Duane
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Kat:
I think some people may be confused by a judgment that will be brought about by a 'lake of fire.' All the symbolism make it hard to imagine the literal application.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone was not found having been written in the Book of Life, he was cast into the Lake of Fire.
We know from Ray's teaching that the resurrection of the rest of the dead will be back to a physical life. These people will be resurrected with the same character, the good and bad that they died with, if they were liars, thieves, cheaters or murderers that what they will be raised up as. These physical people will be "cast into the lake of fire," that will be the earth under Christ's rule. This world will be a very different place with Christ ruling it. No longer will people be able to sneak around and do things in secret, the Elect will always know what is going on. People will not be able to lie, the Elect will know if you are lying or cheating or stealing or doing or saying anything wrong.
1Co 3:12 And if anyone builds on this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble ,
v. 13 each one's work shall be revealed. For the Day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try each one's work as to what kind it is.
v. 14 If anyone's work which he built remains, he shall receive a reward.
v. 15 If anyone's work shall be burned up, he shall suffer loss. But he shall be saved, yet so as by fire.
Can you see how it will be a tormenting/fiery experience for a lot of people who were able to get away with their sinful behavior in this life. At that time they will have their every action supervised and "revealed," because the judgment "Day shall declare it," the real intent of the heart will be laid bare/naked. They will not get away with anything or cause any harm, "they shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain." The meek and humble will live in peace.
Isa 11:4 But with righteousness He shall judge the poor, and shall decide with uprightness for the meek of the earth. And He shall strike the earth with the rod of His mouth, and with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked.
v. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of His loins, and faithfulness the girdle of His heart.
v. 6 Also the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the cub lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
v. 7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
v. 8 And the suckling child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den.
v. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of Jehovah, as the waters cover the sea.
Yes it will be a difficult and even rough on some to keep them from doing evil, if they could. But it will be a world where Christ will enforce His rule and the people will be taught the right way to live.
Isa 26:9 With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee earnestly: for when Thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world learn righteousness.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
cjwood:
--- Quote from: swanny21 on July 18, 2011, 03:23:21 AM ---Hello everyone, Neil here from Bundaberg in Australia with my first post. Please forgive me for being brief in my responses, I find it very difficult to put my thoughts into words.
In my opinion, "judgement" = "forgiveness".
Great topic
Neil
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hi ya neil. welcome to the forum. nice to have another aussie in the family. :D
claudia
G. Driggs:
This all sounds like some badly needed "tough love".
Pro 3:11 My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:
Pro 3:12 For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 As you endure this divine discipline, remember that God is treating you as His own children. Who ever heard of a child who is never disciplined by its father?
Heb 12:8 If God doesn't discipline you as He does all of His children, it means that you are illegitimate and are not really His children at all.
I like the additional information and the inclusion of "all of His children" the Hebrew writer gives in verse 7 and 8. Sad that "the many" make the loving (albeit painful) correction of the Father into something evil.
Good thread and good responses.
G.Driggs
Deborah-Leigh:
--- Quote from: swanny21 on July 18, 2011, 03:23:21 AM ---Hello everyone, Neil here from Bundaberg in Australia with my first post. Please forgive me for being brief in my responses, I find it very difficult to put my thoughts into words.
In my opinion, "judgement" = "forgiveness".
Great topic
Neil
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Hi Neil
Welcome to the Forum!
IMO Forgiveness needs mercy! Mercy needs love and God IS Love!
Arc
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