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markn902:
Hi I recently went to see a psychiatrist as I have issues. Anyway it was the first time I actually went to see a  shrink and during a two hour questioning period we went over countless things..substance abuse..physical abuse..how I am feeling all that sort of stuff. But she never asked me about God or even what religious upbringing I had. I thought that was odd because wouldn't that have some sort of importance in the way people think? What if I had been raised in a apocalyptic isolationist sect? ( oh wait I was lol )

But seriously no mention at all I would have volunteered the info but I have a rule about not talking about God unless someone asks me. Keeps me from speaking out of my own vanity. And no one ever asks me except one time I was talking to a pastor about something else and she did ask but that is a story worthy of it's own post.
 
I figured people here at BT may have some experience at some point or another with this sort of thing and I was just wondering if that is normal. Do psychiatrists just disregard this? or is this just her? It doesn't really matter it wouldn't have effected the outcome I don't think..anyway any input on this would be greatly appreciated thanks in advance

Mark

Duane:
After my stroke, I talked to a number of psychiatrists and psycholgists and religion never got mentioned.  They were more interested in the mental illness that runs though our family tree.  Anytime they gave me pschotropic drugs of any kind they totally screwed up my mind and mental processes.  You will soon learn that there is a real problem between medical doctors and psychiatrists.  You will
find that no matter WHAT drugs a doctor has you on a psychiatrists will find reason to change them ALL (wasting thousands of dollars of drugs) because they feel their advanced degrees make them SUPERIOR to whatever doctors prescribe or diagnose you.

Having dealt with a number of psychiatrists personally and professionally, I find them to be doctors who haven't resolved their own personal demons so they went on to further study hoping to resolve their OWN problems with the hope of eventually helping others.

As far as surgeons, I held the hand of the surgeon while saying a prayer for wisdom for him in the surgery.  He seemed to appreciate it. 

My two cents about speaking out for the Lord to all is "the Great Commission".  I don't worry about self-pride when Speaking out for
God or B-T.  I figure I am going to run right into flack but who cares?  After all, someone "chanced" talking to ME!
   

arion:
A psychiatrist has two tools in the box, drugs and feelings.  They can medicate people which in most cases just papers over the underlaying problems or they can muddle around in the soulish area by analyzing your feelings about certain things but does any of that actually get to the root of the problem?  Contemporary psychiatry as promolgulated by Freud and Jung does nothing about the root issues as these are beyond the scope of man to deal with.  Indeed Freud, Jung and others were nuttier than fruitcakes themselves (IMO) and these men are the bedrock that modern psychiatry came from.  As an example this is from the wiki on Freud and this was Freud's view of God;

'Freud regarded the monotheistic god as an illusion based upon the infantile emotional need for a powerful, supernatural pater familias. He maintained that religion — once necessary to restrain man’s violent nature in the early stages of civilization — in modern times, can be set aside in favor of reason and science.[93] “Obsessive Actions and Religious Practices” (1907) notes the likeness between faith (religious belief) and neurotic obsession.[94] Totem and Taboo (1913) proposes that society and religion begin with the patricide and eating of the powerful paternal figure, who then becomes a revered collective memory.[95] In Civilization and its Discontents (1930), he describes religion as an “oceanic sensation” he never experienced, (despite being a self-identified cultural Jew).[96] Moses and Monotheism (1937) proposes that Moses was the tribal pater familias, killed by the Jews, who psychologically coped with the patricide with a reaction formation conducive to their establishing monotheist Judaism;[97] analogously, he described the Roman Catholic rite of Holy Communion as cultural evidence of the killing and devouring of the sacred father.[98] Moreover, he perceived religion, with its suppression of violence, as mediator of the societal and personal, the public and the private, conflicts between Eros and Thanatos, the forces of life and death.[99] Later works indicate Freud’s pessimism about the future of civilization, which he noted in the 1931 edition of Civilization and its Discontents.[100]'


I as well have some issues and modern psychology would place a label of a schizoid personality disorder on me (similar to schizophrenia without the delusional aspects) but how can we understand anything about ourselves from so called professionals whose whole life view relegates even the notion of 'God' to fantasy?  I wouldn't make a grand sweeping statement that there is nothing that such people might do to help you understand yourself but I certainly wouldn't look to them for any anwers.  How can a discipline that rejects God at the heart of it do much to assist us in understand exactly what God is accomplishing in our lives?  The Lord knows the issues we are dealing with and He has the answers for us alone.  Unfortunately some things in life we just have to muddle through the best we can and trust that the Lord will indeed provide a light to our path even in the midst of our stumbling and frail steps.

judith collier:
Dear Mark, I made the mistake once of mentioning God to a psychiatrist and they kept me in the hospital for 2 more weeks thinking i was delusional.
BUT, I have one now for medication purposes and he asked me what my spirituality consisted of. I told him some of my background and he said "that isn't what i asked you" I had to stop and think but finally said "love". He seemed very much to like this answer and said that was "beautiful". This man is Hindu and REALLY listens to me. He is a sweetheart and a very outstanding dct. in the community. So, you can't judge them all by a few or even several. If a Dct. has understanding of a spiritual nature you will sense it. My family Dct. blew me away once when i told him "there seemed to be no end to me and my problems" He said, "that's why we need a Savior!
judy

markn902:
Thank you all for your responses I am really seeing this doctor for medication I thought I would be completely honest with a doctor for once and see what they had to say. I just found it odd that there was no questions about religion as I would think that was important. But then again im not a Dr  ;D

That was some good insight into the roots of modern psychology Arion I did not know that. Sometimes I wonder if science/technology/psychology will be the idol that everyone turns to sometime in the future. As we become more advanced and mainstream religion has so many flaws I wonder if, in the future, people will turn away from God altogether and renounce religion as myth and the cause of wars and such. Thereby making themselves (man) as God. Maybe not anytime soon but who knows what humanity will have advanced to in 100 years. It seems to fall in line with my understanding of revelations anyway. I mean I know revelations is a process that is happening now for many people but there will be an end to this age at some point and I wonder if that is where we are headed?

Just wild speculation on my part but it is conceivable. There will always be those called and truth will remain I believe right till the end but it will be isolated kinda like now but worse. Anyway I am bipolar if anyone was wondering and just looking for some sort of stabilizer. The thing is in the 2 months it took to get the appt I have felt great! So we'll see thanks again for your responses they are helpful.

Mark

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