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Spiritual death?
space.ace.jase:
Very much so... but don't give up hope.
As for Ray's paper on "4. Seeing and Understanding the Invisible" Most of the time I feel lost but I stay hopeful that this is only for a time and it too will pass.
LOST: Can a person sin, be lost, die, and then be saved? Certainly. Let’s look at one of those parables of Jesus that Christendom thinks of as easy to understand little stories, when in fact they don’t even begin to understand. You all know the story contained in the parable of the Prodigal son so I won’t read it all, but let me give you the "truth" of this parable.
God is the "Father" in this parable, and the Prodigal is EVERY SON WHO HAS GONE ASTRAY.
"And when he had spent all ... And when he came to himself ... I will arise and go to my father ... I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight ... And am no more worthy to be called thy son ... But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet. And bring hither the fatted calf ... For this my son was DEAD, and is alive again; he was LOST, and is found. And they began to be merry" (Luke 15:14-23).
This man SINNED, he was LOST, and he SPIRITUALLY DIED! Do we ALL spiritually DIE? "AND AS IT IS APPOINTED UNTO MEN ONCE TO DIE..." But isn’t this speaking of the PHYSICAL death of our bodies? No it is not. The second part of the verse gives us the answer as to which death this is,
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but AFTER this the JUDGMENT" (Heb. 9:27).
GaryK:
--- Quote from: space.ace.jase on July 29, 2011, 08:49:04 PM ---Very much so... but don't give up hope.
As for Ray's paper on "4. Seeing and Understanding the Invisible" Most of the time I feel lost but I stay hopeful that this is only for a time and it too will pass.
LOST: Can a person sin, be lost, die, and then be saved? Certainly. Let’s look at one of those parables of Jesus that Christendom thinks of as easy to understand little stories, when in fact they don’t even begin to understand. You all know the story contained in the parable of the Prodigal son so I won’t read it all, but let me give you the "truth" of this parable.
God is the "Father" in this parable, and the Prodigal is EVERY SON WHO HAS GONE ASTRAY.
"And when he had spent all ... And when he came to himself ... I will arise and go to my father ... I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight ... And am no more worthy to be called thy son ... But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet. And bring hither the fatted calf ... For this my son was DEAD, and is alive again; he was LOST, and is found. And they began to be merry" (Luke 15:14-23).
This man SINNED, he was LOST, and he SPIRITUALLY DIED! Do we ALL spiritually DIE? "AND AS IT IS APPOINTED UNTO MEN ONCE TO DIE..." But isn’t this speaking of the PHYSICAL death of our bodies? No it is not. The second part of the verse gives us the answer as to which death this is,
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but AFTER this the JUDGMENT" (Heb. 9:27).
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Now you've done it space, you've conjured up an appetite within to read something of Rays. ;D
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BTW: whoever's doing the praying.............thank you.
JohnMichael:
--- Quote from: gk on July 26, 2011, 02:20:37 PM ---Ever felt yourself to be spiritually dry to the point of wondering if spiritually dead? I could go on about the reasons I'm asking but I'm pretty sure the question itself is the important part.
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YES! :)
I just had this happen to me a few weeks ago. I would get so angry at a forum member thinking that the person was wrong, and I was right. One day, I had the thought occur to me "out of nowhere" (yeah, right! ;D) that the reason I was getting so angry at that person really had nothing to do with the individual at all. God was showing me myself in a mirror. I didn't want to acknowledge how I was harboring His Truth in pride and arrogance. I was left defeated (carnally), and I had no where to hide from God's mirror. The snarling, deceitful, disgusting beast looking back at me left me staring in horror and shame.
I felt as though I was struck spiritually dead. All I could do was beg for mercy and forgiveness. It really made it become "heart knowledge" (not just "head" knowledge) that there is absolutely nothing good in me, nothing redeeming, and nothing worthy. Anything good is a gift from Him. On my own, I would be anything but "good."
It was a very painful experience. Very. painful. However, it wouldn't have happened if it wasn't necessary. To God be the Glory.
In Him,
John
crazy4bam:
--- Quote from: gk on July 26, 2011, 02:20:37 PM ---Ever felt yourself to be spiritually dry to the point of wondering if spiritually dead? I could go on about the reasons I'm asking but I'm pretty sure the question itself is the important part.
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Almost on a daily basis! I think he is seeing how much faith we have or understanding of what he is trying to accomplish within us. IMO sometimes we try and take on too much and it is his way of saying stop, look, and listen. Has we grow older we realize all the mistakes we made when were younger were stupid and foolish. Know that we have the truth we know it all was a lesson we all needed. If we feel spiritually dry then maybe like JohnMichael said we are looking in a mirror and seeing something we don't like and he is showing us the truth of what we see. I know this is probably not the right answer and I am sorry for that. Sometimes my heart over powers my brain...a woman thing!
Deborah-Leigh:
Something to contemplate...maybe...~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFFv_I7EWkc&feature=related
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