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Spiritual death?
Deborah-Leigh:
Amen John! ~ :D
Kat:
1Thes 5:19 Do not quench(G4570) the Spirit.
G4570
to extinguish (literally or figuratively): - go out, quench. (Strong's)
You might say that the Spirit is like a fire within as "our God is a consuming fire" (Heb 12:29). We certaily don't want to "quench the Spirit/fire." So maybe you can feel 'spiritually dead' if you let the flame die down real low, so to speak.
2Ti 1:6 For this reason I remind you to fan into flame the gift of God, which is in you through the laying on of my hands, (ESV)
2Ti 1:6 For which cause I remind thee to stir up the gift of God that is in thee through the putting on of my hands, (YLT)
2Ti 1:6 For this reason I remind you to keep alive the gift that God gave you when I laid my hands on you.
So we need to "keep alive, stir up and flame the fire of the Spirit within. Here is from the Bible study 'Can We Lose God's Spirit?'
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7047.0.html --------------------
Now here is the point I want to make, spirit is life and life is spirit. Now back to verse 15.
Can we lose out… well we read the Scripture that if you sin willfully - willingly there is no more sacrifice for you. Now look at this verse, many people probably never really saw it before.
1 John 3:15 Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal (eonian or age lasting) life abiding (the Greek is “staying or “REMAINING”) in him.
So the Greek is staying or remaining. Now if you just read that without all the background that I’m giving you, then you get the feeling that, well he won't be given God’s abiding life. No, he already has it. The only way something cannot stay in you or not remain in you, is if it’s in you. Do you follow that? It’s in you.
He’s not talking to Barbarians here or infidels, he’s talking to the congregation who have the spirit of God.
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Luke 6:46 "But why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and not do the things which I say?"
Boy that puts a damper on a lot of these Scriptural lies, doesn’t it. 'I believe the Lord, so I’m saved.' Is that right? Is that why you are stealing from your employer… Is that why you are still cheating on you wife… Is that why you are damning God’s name? In other words, when He says, “why do you call Me Lord, Lord, and not do the things which I say?” He saying; if you call Me Lord Lord and don’t do the things I say… then it’s meaningless, forget it, you might as well curse My name.
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Philippians 3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
Is there a point in time where you say no matter what I do I’m going to be in the former resurrection, because I have this and that promise and pledge? Was Paul lying when he said, “If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.” Meaning I’ll do everything that I know of or can think of to be sure that God is pleased with me. “By any means,” Why would he say that if it’s a done deal?
Notice it, how do we come up in the likeness of His resurrection? “IF” at the beginning of the verse (Rom 6:5) “IF we have been planted together in the likeness of His death.” We know what baptism pictures, it pictures dying to yourself, dying to the evil, carnal, lustful things that are bad about human nature. You die to that and that’s what baptism pictures.
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But there’s that big ‘IF’ again. For IF this, then that. 'But what if not this?' Well if not this, then not that. This is really elementary stuff. But I mean somebody has got to point it out, I understand that, I’m not poking fun.
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Luke 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest:
Is there something to do? Well yes, it just told you what to do. It’s always something to do. You check all the Scriptures with all these promises and stuff.
Of course somebody is going to say, ’well Ray I thought it was all about grace.’ Well grace is what causes you, inspires you, makes you do these things. So then you receive your reward that comes with it. Remember in Titus…
Titus 2:11-12 For the grace of God that brings salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us…
‘Oh, I thought He just gave us everything free.’ No, it TEACHES you to live godly in an ungodly world. It teaches you, it trains you, it instructs you, it educates you, it means all those things, look up the Greek.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with Me, to give every man (I don’t see a period here) according as his work shall be.
It is always something to do, always something to fulfill.
Rom 8:13 For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but IF (that little word again) you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.
v. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
That’s how you do it. There it is!
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
cjwood:
kat(hy), you always bring such healthy food to the table. food i need. thank you dear sister.
claudia
G. Driggs:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on August 03, 2011, 03:21:25 PM ---What's with all this gloom and doom stuff about "Spiritual Death".
Is this idea even in the Scriptures? If so, what are the two or three scriptural witnesses that establishes this "truth".
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A few parables from Jesus.
Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Mat 8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
Mat 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
Luk 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
Not that I'm right or your wrong, but to me these speak of spiritual death. Unless of course Jesus was speaking in literal terms. ??? What other death could Jesus be talking about besides a literal or spiritual death? I mean He does not say the word "physical" ,"literal" or "spiritual" before the word "dead" in any of these parables, so how do we know?
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on August 03, 2011, 03:21:25 PM ---God saves everybody! Everybody. No one gets left out. That's what a loving God does. The Scripture says that death will be the last thing destroyed. But it will be destroyed. So when you no longer have death, then all you have left is life. Be happy. Let the party begin.
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I second that amen from Arc! :) BYOB! :D
G.Driggs
JohnMichael:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on August 03, 2011, 03:21:25 PM ---What's with all this gloom and doom stuff about "Spiritual Death".
Is this idea even in the Scriptures? If so, what are the two or three scriptural witnesses that establishes this "truth".
God saves everybody! Everybody. No one gets left out. That's what a loving God does. The Scripture says that death will be the last thing destroyed. But it will be destroyed. So when you no longer have death, then all you have left is life. Be happy. Let the party begin.
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Death is called sleep by Jesus.
Mat 9:24 He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn.
Luk 8:52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth.
Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead.
Dan 8:17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
Dan 8:18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.
However, you are absolutely right. God will save everyone, and the consummation of the ages will definitely be a most joyous event.
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