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dave:
On some much of the word that is being expressed of The Kingdom message I am in line with. Yet on some, I have not found a witness in the Word of God. This subject I am about to raise is one that I have not received witness to in the Word. Much is said about it using words that I do not find in the Bible, I see why and how the expressions are used, in me (my mind) but I do not find evidence that it is so. I post this in hopes that I may receive confirmation or?with me.
Much is said in the world of Christianity about it. I have come to believe that just about everything that is produced by orthodox Christianity and religion is fabricated for itchy ears, control, and enlargement of a congregation [and money].
The phrases "spiritual body/bodies" and "glorified body/bodies," I cannot find in the Bible. Yet much is said about the subject and that we will receive at a future time. With the exception for ICor. 15:44 and he speaks of a body or "one body."
1Co 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We all shall not sleep, but we shall all be changed,
Mystery: a secret (through the idea of silence imposed by invitation) so this mystery is something that has invitation to its value.
"but we shall all be changed," Changed: to make different from a primary word; "else."
That is "different."
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
In that moment….we shall be made different…something else.
Paul in no way does not speak of a "spiritual body" that we will be changed to, nor does he speak of a "glorified body." He speaks of being "changed" to something different.
What we are changed to I believe as it is said by Paul.
1Co 12:20 But now they are many members, but one body.
Eph 4:3 endeavoring to keep the unity of the spirit with the tie of peace:
Eph 4:4 one body and one spirit, according as you were called also with one expectation of your calling;"
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, Who is over all and through all and in all."
I believe that we, those who are growing in Christ, perhaps, feel there is going to be some kind of individuality when we are changed from this many member body when we are changed to ONE BODY.
Thank you. Peace and Love Through Jesus
Dave in Tenn:
I won't attempt to explain, but I do want to put the assertion that 'spiritual bodies' are not in the Scripture to rest:
1Co 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
1Co 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
1Co 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
1Co 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
1Co 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Maybe that makes the rest of your point moot.
Akira329:
Hope the scriptures Dave gave you eases your doubt.
As for your other comments:
--- Quote ---I believe that we, those who are growing in Christ, perhaps, feel there is going to be some kind of individuality when we are changed from this many member body when we are changed to ONE BODY.
Thank you. Peace and Love Through Jesus
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You quote 1 Corinthians 12:20
1Co 12:20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
How does this verse explain to you that being many doesn't make one body???
Your own body serves as an example, read verses 14 - 20
I'm not going to quote all these verses in chapter 12 but this one should help you understand:
1Co 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
Hope this helps
Antaiwan
Kat:
Hi Micah7:9,
--- Quote ---The phrases "spiritual body/bodies" and "glorified body/bodies," I cannot find in the Bible. Yet much is said about the subject and that we will receive at a future time.
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The mystery of the Scriptures is not laid out there for everyone to see. But for those that He gives eyes to see He will show us how to put the Scriptures together to learn these things, as Ray does. We know that Christ had great glory before He came into the flesh as God of the OT and we also know that Christ recieved that glory back when He returned to heaven after His resurrection.
John 17:5 And now Father, glorify Me with Yourself with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
Now in 1 John we can see that we will be like the resurrected Christ in all His glory.
1John 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be. But we know that when He shall be revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
This is certainly speaking of the gloried Christ and we will be "like Him," spirit. Jesus Christ Himself explained what is needed to be actually born into the kingdom.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
"The Spirit" spoken of here is the Holy Spirit given/begotten to the few chosen Elect as an earnest in this life (2 Cor 1:22).
v. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
v. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, You must be born again.
Christ goes on to explain exactly what He mean by "born of the Spirit."
John 3:8 The Spirit breathes where He desires, and you hear His voice, but you do not know from where He comes, and where He goes; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.
This is clearly not a physical body He is speaking of that those born into the kingdom. Also this would explain how upon resurrection the Elect will all rise up to meet Him in the air.
1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And so we shall ever be with the Lord.
A physical body will not rise up to meet Christ in the air. Hope this helps.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
dave:
Im not trying to argue your points I know what you are saying, I have believed it for many moons, still my asking is for someone[ha] to tell me just what is one?
I see the concept Paul teaches of a many member body here in the earth realm, but where is the many member in one in heavenly realm? I have been listening to Rays audio, Is Jesus God and related audio, and Ray says it all comes down to ONE.
How many is one Spirit, one Body, one faith, one baptism, one Lord?
Should I be one with Him, what is the need of me or I when we will be like Him, one with Him.
Joh 10:30 I and the Father are one.'
Thank you all for your comments. As I said Im not trying to cause discord, just troubled on this subject.
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