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John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Marky Mark on July 30, 2011, 12:07:58 PM ---
--- Quote ---The whole story may be a parable. God will have to let us know if anything in the story of Adam and Eve literally occurred.
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Hey John.
I don't think you can base a parable on something that is not based on reality or truth. Notice a parable is a fictitious narrative based on common life,and not a comparison based on fiction.
G3850
παραβολή
parabolē
par-ab-ol-ay'
From G3846; a similitude (“parable”), that is, (symbolically) fictitious narrative (of common life conveying a moral), apoth gm or adage: - comparison, figure, parable, proverb.
As Ray has said many times,the bible is one giant parable and I agree.But that does not mean that the bible is not literally true from Genesis through Revelation.
If Adam and Eve were only a parable and did not actually live in flesh and blood bodies in the garden,then what are we to do with the Word of God in these verse?
Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
Being a mother and giving birth and dying in physical bodies seems like a common occurrence to all people,not a fictitious narrative.
The words of God clearly show to me that Adam and Eve were truly literal human beings created by God.The literal stories of Scripture were written for our admonition in order to teach the few chosen Gods Spiritual truths, through parables or not. We should believe Gods Word,not mans.
1Jn 5:10 He who is believing in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; he who is not believing God has made Him a liar, for he has not believed in the testimony which God has testified concerning His Son."
1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
1Co 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
Rom 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar;
1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
Peace...Mark
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Hi Mark,
You can believe as you are led, but be careful it does not become an idol of the heart.
Lazarus and the Rich Man teaches us great spiritual truths, but I do not think the story itself is literal. It is a parable.
The story of Adam and Eve teach great spiritual truths, but I do not know if the story is literally true. Maybe so. Maybe not.
Adam is also the Hebrew name for all humanity. Eve is the mother of all living. The names may not literally apply to a specific man and a specific woman. I just do not know for sure.
You also make an assumption that 930 refers to the literal days of Adam's life. You could be correct if the numbers in the genealogies are literal. The Septuagint contains different numbers of years. Everything is not what it appears to be.
One day God will let us know which stories in the Scriptures were literally true as opposed to being parables that show higher spiritual truths.
I don't think that the New Testament was the first time that the WORD (Jesus) taught in parables. Take care.
John
Marky Mark:
--- Quote ---Hi Mark,
You can believe as you are led, but be careful it does not become an idol of the heart.
--- End quote ---
John,are you saying that the Word of God concerning the creation of Adam and Eve, which is called Scripture, is an idol of the heart?
--- Quote ---Lazarus and the Rich Man teaches us great spiritual truths, but I do not think the story itself is literal. It is a parable.
--- End quote ---
Yes, Lazarus and the Rich Man is without a doubt a parable because we know that Jesus did not speak unto them unless it was.
Mat 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
The definition of a parable is in fact based on a reality of some type.How else could anyone relate to a story if in fact one could not believe that the characters involved were real in a sense of there really could be a man named Lazarus somewhere or there could be a certain rich man somewhere. Without one being able to relate to what the parable is saying in a real and meaningful way, the parable would lack any type of substance or significance.
The Spiritual significance far outweighs the parable itself,but none the less, it has to be able to be understood in a way that the multitudes could relate to it,a reality,if you will,but with no perception of the Spiritual realites.
--- Quote ---The story of Adam and Eve teach great spiritual truths, but I do not know if the story is literally true. Maybe so. Maybe not.
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By now you know what I think.
--- Quote ---Adam is also the Hebrew name for all humanity. Eve is the mother of all living. The names may not literally apply to a specific man and a specific woman. I just do not know for sure.
--- End quote ---
May I ask if they have no real application in Scripture what would be the purpose of God telling us their names or the genealogies that relate back to Adam and Eve? I always thought that names were given to people,places or things for the reason of identity and not for speculation.
--- Quote ---You also make an assumption that 930 refers to the literal days of Adam's life. You could be correct if the numbers in the genealogies are literal. The Septuagint contains different numbers of years. Everything is not what it appears to be.
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I assume nothing,I can only believe what the Word of God says in the Scriptures.
--- Quote ---One day God will let us know which stories in the Scriptures were literally true as opposed to being parables that show higher spiritual truths.
--- End quote ---
I believe all of the scriptures show a higher Spiritual truth by virtue of where the inspiration to record them came from.
--- Quote ---I don't think that the New Testament was the first time that the WORD (Jesus) taught in parables. Take care.
John
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That I can agree with, but it still does not take away from the literal words spoken of in Scripture.
Peace...Mark
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Marky Mark on July 31, 2011, 10:44:58 AM ---
--- Quote ---Hi Mark,
You can believe as you are led, but be careful it does not become an idol of the heart.
--- End quote ---
John,are you saying that the Word of God concerning the creation of Adam and Eve, which is called Scripture, is an idol of the heart?
--- Quote ---Lazarus and the Rich Man teaches us great spiritual truths, but I do not think the story itself is literal. It is a parable.
--- End quote ---
Yes, Lazarus and the Rich Man is without a doubt a parable because we know that Jesus did not speak unto them unless it was.
Mat 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
The definition of a parable is in fact based on a reality of some type.How else could anyone relate to a story if in fact one could not believe that the characters involved were real in a sense of there really could be a man named Lazarus somewhere or there could be a certain rich man somewhere. Without one being able to relate to what the parable is saying in a real and meaningful way, the parable would lack any type of substance or significance.
The Spiritual significance far outweighs the parable itself,but none the less, it has to be able to be understood in a way that the multitudes could relate to it,a reality,if you will,but with no perception of the Spiritual realites.
--- Quote ---The story of Adam and Eve teach great spiritual truths, but I do not know if the story is literally true. Maybe so. Maybe not.
--- End quote ---
By now you know what I think.
--- Quote ---Adam is also the Hebrew name for all humanity. Eve is the mother of all living. The names may not literally apply to a specific man and a specific woman. I just do not know for sure.
--- End quote ---
May I ask if they have no real application in Scripture what would be the purpose of God telling us their names or the genealogies that relate back to Adam and Eve? I always thought that names were given to people,places or things for the reason of identity and not for speculation.
--- Quote ---You also make an assumption that 930 refers to the literal days of Adam's life. You could be correct if the numbers in the genealogies are literal. The Septuagint contains different numbers of years. Everything is not what it appears to be.
--- End quote ---
I assume nothing,I can only believe what the Word of God says in the Scriptures.
--- Quote ---One day God will let us know which stories in the Scriptures were literally true as opposed to being parables that show higher spiritual truths.
--- End quote ---
I believe all of the scriptures show a higher Spiritual truth by virtue of where the inspiration to record them came from.
--- Quote ---I don't think that the New Testament was the first time that the WORD (Jesus) taught in parables. Take care.
John
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That I can agree with, but it still does not take away from the literal words spoken of in Scripture.
Peace...Mark
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No, I am not saying that the Word of God is an idol of the heart.
I am saying that many people have an interpretation of a certain Scripture, that they absolutely believe is truth, and that the interpretation can become an idol of their heart.
cjwood:
just a thought, but, wouldn't the story of adam and eve have to have physically happened/occurred if we are to have an actual physical, human, line to Jesus Christ? just asking.
also, could it have been their shame, after their eyes were opened by God, that caused them to know they were (physically) naked?
claudia
GaryK:
--- Quote from: JohnMichael on July 30, 2011, 12:59:47 PM ---
Hi GK,
Do you notice that the animal skins required a sacrifice?
Just food for thought. I hope this helps.
In Him,
John
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Thank you all for your words here, much wisdom, much appreciated.
JohnMichael, I did indeed and the reason for my comment above: "unless it has to do with sacrifice, perhaps". So yes, noticed, and I'm glad you did as well, meaning, not far off base it seems.
Again all, thanks.
gk
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