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DougE6:
Dawidos. those are good questions. When I think oif those things, and I do often, I end up thinking about the magnitude of suffering in Jesus life, in the Apostle Paul, in the heroes of the faith. It sobers me greatly that God did not excuse them, no, quite the opposite. Jesus suffering I really understand, from the point of view that he has tasted to some degree all of our suffering, and He did suffer a horribly painful death. SO no one can even say God was unfair in not subjecting His own Son the the hardships that God brings us through. God has felt it all personally. So not onlu was Jesus the propiation for all sin, but He experienced the pains of our hardships and He experienced our death, too.

But the Apostle Paul says the suffering of this age is NOT WORTH COMPARING to the glory of the Next! That is why we need to get our suffering over NOW, in this Age. I do not want to go through the judgements of the Lake of Fire. I want to get my judgements done in this life. I truly believe that I do not hold a candle to many of the people who have walked before me in faith. What they have done in perseverance and in faithfulness to God is breathtaking. Yes, it is true that without Jesus in them, they could do nothing. But they still felt the pain.

So we fill up what is lacking in Christs sufferings as we walk on this earth.  This suffering will be proven to have great value.  I think it will be more evened out through the lake of fire, for everyone, who goes there. God is very thorough. He will have all the wood hay and stubble, burned. He only wants gold and precious stones.

mharrell08:

--- Quote from: DougE6 on August 07, 2011, 11:40:02 AM ---I do not want to go through the judgements of the Lake of Fire. I want to get my judgements done in this life.
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I just wanted make a point that everyone goes through the Lake of Fire. All of God's judgments are by the same fire, which is God's Spirit.

Excerpt from Lake of Fire Part 16-D4 (http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D4.htm):

And so Matt. 18:8 is a pivotal Scripture in our understanding of Gehenna fire, everlasting fire, and lake of fire. The spiritual Gehenna fire, is the very same eonian fire which are used to Judge Gods people-the House of God. Then Jesus tells us it is also the very same fire that will be used to Judge Satan's messengers. And these messengers/angels of Satan are his "transformed" [Gk: metaschēmatizō, 'disguised'] ministers of righteousness: "Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works" (II Cor. 11:15).

All of Satans ministers-the deceived clergymen of the Church, MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT, MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND THE ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH, will not be judged until the Resurrection to Judgment at the Great White Throne, and that Judgment is in The Lake of Fire. Thus we now have it on the authority of Jesus Christ, that Gehenna fire, eonian fire, and lake of fire, are all the same spiritual fire of God, seeing that "Our God is a consuming fire" (Heb. 12:29), and God does not change.


Doug, I think it's good to remember that even the desire to do good works comes from God alone. We, as well as the apostles, can 'stir people up' towards good works all day long, but until God gives them that desire, we can only wait patiently for God to manifest these good works in their lives.


Marques

ez2u:
really thoughtful and good replies

JohnMichael:

--- Quote from: Dawidos on August 07, 2011, 10:59:24 AM ---My head struggles with different aspect of this subject. I never have problems with the same existence of suffering but its degree. How is it possible that we'll all have all, same knowledge of good and evil if our suffering in this world is so different and sometimes unfair. How will I be able to get along with the person with different experience after the consummation of all ages? How can you compare dying by gunshot in the head with dying by being tortured slowly to death. How can you understand somebody with mental illness if you only had in your life headaches and some bruises. Rich-poor? Cancer stricken person-somebody killed in an explosion? These questions imply why there are people who believe in reincarnation.  

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It is only the carnal mind that wants to compare whose is better or worse. Consider the mindset of the participants in the following passage:

Joh 21:20  Then Peter, turning around, saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following (the one who also leaned on His breast at supper, and said, Lord, who is he who betrays You?)
Joh 21:21  Seeing him, Peter said to Jesus, Lord, and what of this one?
Joh 21:22  Jesus said to him, If I desire that he remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me.

I see carnality showing jealousy and pride. Peter, not yet converted, is showing them toward John. In Peter's mind, Jesus is playing favorites, and Peter doesn't like that very much. Jesus tells him quite plainly: You follow me. That is your only concern.

When it's all said and done, when all mankind has learned righteousness, carnality won't be around anymore. Therefore, people will not be comparing whose was better, worse, etc, anymore. God appointed them to the life they had - no more, no less.

Hope that helps.

In Him,
John

crazy4bam:
 ;D ;D I would like to say thank you to all who answered my question and then some. It is always good to hear good things can happen we all just have to be patient and wait. It just seems to be more suffering then not. It just bothers me at times but all your answers have greatly helped me. Thank you all, for guiding me to more truths.

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