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judith collier:
I think Kat's word "aware" and Arcturus' "observe" are really the same thing!
Always be gentle with yourself because you have a simple human mind and these things happen. There was a great Christian writer who said, "if all you do in an hour of prayer is to gently
observe those thoughts and then attempt go back and focus on God, you will have done much"
Praying is not only difficult at times, it takes much discipline and practice with the mind. Eventually you will succeed in overcoming these thoughts in a flash.
judy

mharrell08:

--- Quote from: Arcturus on August 08, 2011, 11:25:00 AM ---

--- Quote ---Arcturus, people do not possess a 'neutral observer':
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I did not say that people POSSESS a neutral observer. To say such a thing is parallel to believing that Jesus or God is something to GET or to POSSESS!

Just because you can not see the sun in the night, doesn't mean it is not there....~ :D
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So Jesus is this neutral observer you speak of?


--- Quote from: Arcturus on August 08, 2011, 01:59:36 AM ---The neutral observer, notices without condemnation or approval. That is what neutral is. Neither positive nor negative, just present.
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Whoever you're describing above, it's still not true:

Rev 2:2-4  I [Jesus] know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars; and you have persevered and have patience, and have labored for My name’s sake and have not become weary. Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love

Jesus approves of the church's good works and condemns it's bad ones.



--- Quote from: Arcturus on August 08, 2011, 11:25:00 AM ---If you disagree with something and if it doesn't go against the teachings here in BTF, then by all means ask, if you want to understand, for clarification. So as not to throw the Topic off course, the best place to ask is in the PM lines. ~ :)
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When a member posts questionable comments in a thread, it's only fair for that member to explain themselves within the same thread. A PM doesn't do any good for the membership as a whole. To imply that Jesus is 'neutral' is false and that point should be made clear for all to understand.



Marques

octoberose:
OK, I'll ask. What is a PM and how do you make one?
 Despite the controversy I found this a very important discussion.
 I sometimes think crazy, nonsensical things. Am I to think this is sin? Or, do I redirect my thoughts and not dwell on the craziness or the despair or the lie, so that I do Not sin? God knew we needed to be directed to think lovely, true thoughts because we will all fall into lies if we are not diligently seeking God.

Joel:
Hi Ian
If I was a psychologist I would blame it on one of your parents, or something like that, but I like calling a spade a spade. ;D
Paul tells us to put on the WHOLE armour of God, that we may be able to withstand the WILES of the devil.
Wiles=sly trick, or beguile.

He tells us what the armour is in Ephesians 6:10-18
Notice in verse 17 the helmet of salvation protects the head where the mind is. :) don't forget about the rest of the armour, don't want to be found naked. :)

Joel

lderr:
Ian,
I have been in such a situation. And I will be again. But in the absence of freewill we know that these thoughts come from a thousand different influences and not necessarily from our conscious effort. 
What caused these influences that cause the thoughts?
Rather, Who caused these influences?
Since I don't know what causes them I can hardly know how to stop them.  But I know someone who can.
When these thoughts enter my mind and I know I want to be rid of them, I ask God to take them away.  That's His job, not mine.  I go on to other business. 

But that's me.
Lewis

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