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Intrusive thoughts...
Kat:
Hi Seaofglass,
--- Quote --- 1 Pet 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour
This is the dark forced passed on thru Eve to the all the generation till now. This is the man of sin roaring inside to come out. It comes out in all forms from our darkened hearts, especially resentment and unrighteous judgements, the hidden secret judgements that ails man.
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Satan/devil is a spirit being and not the beast within us. We do have a beast/man of sin inside to deal with and that is our fleshly carnal human nature. But Satan is something else all together. Here is a email that explains this.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1707.0.html ---------------------------
So then you really do believe that the "carnal mind" of all humanity will be chained for a thousand years (Rev. 20:2)? and that Paul turned over the carnal mind to be destroyed of the carnal mind (I Cor. 5:5)? What I would like you to share with me your Scriptural answer to these two Scriptures? Your theory that "Satan is the carnal mind" does not quite fit all Scriptures, does it?
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In Job here where it states that Satan presented ‘himself’ to God, couldn’t that be exactly what Ray teaches, a higher spiritual meaning, a spiritual reality couched in a physical setting.
COMMENT: NO, and that it why I included it as part of the Scriptures which show that Satan is NOT just our human carnal mind.
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. {Satan: Heb. the adversary} {among: Heb. in the midst of} 7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? {considered: Heb. set thy heart on} 9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? 10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? Job1.6-10
Did the Lord and Satan really talk using human words with a human voice in some physical far away place?
COMMENT: It really doesn't say, does it? Did they speak in Archaic English or ancient Hebrew? It doesn't say, does it?
Does Scripture here literally mean Satan was physically walking to and fro in the earth?
(Notice it says IN the earth?) People are made from the dust of the earth. The carnal mind is in the earth (people).
COMMENT: Satan is "spirit," so why do you suggest that if he walks, he is "physically walking?"
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--- Quote ---There are generational curses also that cause bad thoughts. Watching the thoughts in meditation and just observing it BUT not engaging them, just watching them as a video and then letting them go.
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Here is a email on general curses.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3013.0.html ---------
This is all superstitious nonsense. You are not under any generational curses, or back luck or any such thing.
"There is therefore NOW [at this time] NO CONDEEMNATION to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh [the threat of generalizational curses and such fleshly nonsense], but after the Spirit" (Rom. 8:1).
Heb 4:16--" Let us therefore come BOLDLY unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. "
God be with you,
Ray
Deborah-Leigh:
Marques
You have been answered three times.
My words have been easy to understand, not said with vanity to decieve, beguile or entice.
You might caution against appearing as 1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings ~ :)
Arc
DougE6:
In the spirit of telling a personal story, akin to Arc telling her of her neat experience with Jack, when I was a teenager and maybe a little while longer I used to be tormented by blasphemous swearing intrusive thoughts, that I hated and didn't want, and troubled me greatly. I was a "good' Baptist boy and to have God Da-- and all kind of things popping into my mind, even worse things involving the f word and such in regards to God and Jesus, it was upsetting. But it went completely away. I have no compulsons or intrusive thoughts like that at all, anymore. None.
I do not know if it was a carnal mind thing rebelling or testing, or a spiritual force. But it is at teh core, fear based. So when I could laugh at them, that when they had NO POWER over me at all, that it completely went away. When you realize that intusive thoughts are DEAD to you, and you are dead to them that you give them no mind, that you could care less about them because they are not you, THEY GO AWAY. Your subconscious only torments you if it can. If it has no effect, it stops tormenting you. Fighting them actively only encourages them. its like anything in the subconscious realm. It is only when your fear is dead to you, when you have outgrown the anxiety, does the need to test the fear go away. When those intusive thoughts no longer bother you at all, or cause you to give them any heed, they will disappear.
Deborah-Leigh:
Doug, you have presented insight in the wonder of reckoning oneself dead, and, there is so much to die to! ~
The Scriptures say we are to judge ourselves.
1Co 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
This explains the way that Paul judges himself, as I understand it, not by the standards opinions or view points of MAN, but by the understanding, knowledge and experience Paul has of GOD.
God IS author and finisher OF Faith.
The expounded teachings that expose the myth of Free Will, show that we do not have any control of who we are, where we are or how we are. THAT we are, is God's department. Sure we are accountable, but that is not the point right now. The point is, we have no control over our thoughts or over tomorrow or even over the now.
When human thoughts arise that are offensive, obnoxious or sinful, then, in harmony to and with the teaching of Free Will being a Myth, I have had the occasional experience that comes in the joy of experiencing that God IS in control. The experience is one of being dead as you express Doug, to the thought or the temptation to yield to the provocation to act out the thought or worse to become the thought or be deceived into worshiping what I think. This is, for me, maybe not for everyone else, is explained by Ray in his expounding the fact that King Nebuchadnezzar. Dan 4:30 The king spake, and said, Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the kingdom by the might of MY power, and for the honour of MY majesty?
Nebuchadnezzar BELIEVED his own thought!
Being mindful of God in regard to our thoughts and drawing near to God, reminds me of this beautiful Scripture.
Jas 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
That is not covertly or maliciously aimed at you or anyone Doug. Just a loving description of the Scripture that puts into our view, or consciousness if you like, the thought that it is possible to draw nigh to God...What a beautiful truth of single not double mindedness. God surely is One.
This experience in knowing God controls all, makes thoughts seem dead and self, reckoned dead also which is a GIFT not an acquisition nor a merit nor available if you follow a law or to do list. http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3849.0.html "How hard is it to be saved, shows God is One and He is the One that saves. God is the giver of all gifts! Yet it is a very amazing experience that for me has been all too brief and all too far between!
There is no fa-it accompli nor are there any fully born again’s or complete Jesus Christ’s in the line up of homo sapiens, yet God can give us to receive the gift to experience that glimmer and a brief flash of the good deposit given through the Holy Spirit dwelling within.
It is a most wonderful experience to feel and EXPERIENCE that God is in charge of me and of all. My thoughts, wrong ones and beautiful ones, given to recognition of Him, not as God is evil if I think off the mark, but that God is PERFECT, kills all ulterior thoughts and makes them benign and not in self aggrandizement for beautiful thoughts or lofty ideas, but as in...All IS of God.. and everything else is beside the point.
For me it is one thing to academically believe a thing and quite another to experience it!. The conclusive experience of accepting and EXPERIENCING that God is in control...goes beyond words and to try to say anything about it can spark off suspicion, doubts and fear.
So here is the foundation, in harmony to and with the teaching of Free Will being a Myth, it would stand to reason that our thoughts, IF we believe and accept what Ray teaches, then our thoughts are not something in which we have control or will power.
I believe we identify with our thoughts, our job, our home, our possessions OR we identify with God, as Gods own, not our own property, but Gods. That's what I mean Doug and I think I know what you mean too, if I may be so bold as to say so! ~
Arc
DougE6:
Ahem..excuse me John, but I happen to love quantum physics. I would say that the beauty of the female form in one realm is as fascinating as the paradoxes and powers of quantum physics in the other! yes, both women and quantum physics are paradoxes :) :D
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