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Intrusive thoughts...
Kat:
Hi gk,
It may appear that saying when we become aware that our thoughts are not positive/good, this should send up warning signals to us and we should disrupt those thought patterns promptly and change them to something positive/uplifting, sounds like I mean using 'free-will.'
But I am most certainly aware that it is God who is the One behind every cause and is who will make you aware of intrusive thoughts not being good for your spiritual well being and give you the desire and means to remove them.
Sometimes it's good to state the obvious :)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Deborah-Leigh:
Hey John of K. ....have you been hanging out with Longhorn?.... :D :D ;D
Arc
DougE6:
--- Quote ---[ I think women are slightly more attractive than quarks/quote] OK quarks I will grant you...but have you ever seen P Orbitals? http://chemistry.about.com/od/atomicmolecularstructure/a/porbital.htm LOL ;)
OK seriously, there must exist a bridge in nature between the spirit and the physical. Every time we think a thought there is a rearrangement of electrons and quantum states taking place in our brain. There is a physical phenomenom that accompanies/produces each and every thought, without which the thought would not take place. But then how does Gods spirit or our spirit influence matter to make these thoughts possible? Through the wonderful bizarre counter intuitive beautiful world of quantum mechanics! Quantum mechanics is the doorway through which spirit interfaces with matter, among many other things.
It is a fascinating area. It is experinmentally proven beyond any doubt that the observers knowledge of a quantum state can influence outcome of a physical experiments. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc
Doug
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GaryK:
--- Quote from: Kat on August 10, 2011, 01:37:17 PM ---
Hi gk,
It may appear that saying when we become aware that our thoughts are not positive/good, this should send up warning signals to us and we should disrupt those thought patterns promptly and change them to something positive/uplifting, sounds like I mean using 'free-will.'
But I am most certainly aware that it is God who is the One behind every cause and is who will make you aware of intrusive thoughts not being good for your spiritual well being and give you the desire and means to remove them.
Sometimes it's good to state the obvious :)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Hi Kat,
I'm the last person on this forum that you need reply and justify any posting you make. You know there's no free-will, everyone else here that makes postings seem to know there's no freewill, and God willing even I, in some future day, will with heart and soul know beyond knowing there is no free-will. I long for it. No shame here and any past posting I've made will be a witness to the wresting match I've had with that portion of Ray's teachings.
If Ray says it's one of the hardest teachings to come to grips with, that's my man. And that's that.
My posting wasn't so much for any justification, but, for spiritual support to anyone else in BT-Land who may be having just as hard a time as I have understanding all things really do begin, exist, have co-hesion, purpose, and end with God. Period.
For some that's a breeze, for others, it's the longest-hardest mountain in the path given the exposure we have today of what seems like end-less bad news and attempting to rationalize all of it with God's greater mercy and purpose for better. It's a hard course of study. And God bless'em if they exist cause I understand.
Hopefully it helps Ian, at the very least, since he asked questions.
gk
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: gk on August 10, 2011, 07:13:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: Kat on August 10, 2011, 01:37:17 PM ---
Hi gk,
It may appear that saying when we become aware that our thoughts are not positive/good, this should send up warning signals to us and we should disrupt those thought patterns promptly and change them to something positive/uplifting, sounds like I mean using 'free-will.'
But I am most certainly aware that it is God who is the One behind every cause and is who will make you aware of intrusive thoughts not being good for your spiritual well being and give you the desire and means to remove them.
Sometimes it's good to state the obvious :)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Hi Kat,
I'm the last person on this forum that you need reply and justify any posting you make. You know there's no free-will, everyone else here that makes postings seem to know there's no freewill, and God willing even I, in some future day, will with heart and soul know beyond knowing there is no free-will. I long for it. No shame here and any past posting I've made will be a witness to the wresting match I've had with that portion of Ray's teachings.
If Ray says it's one of the hardest teachings to come to grips with, that's my man. And that's that.
My posting wasn't so much for any justification, but, for spiritual support to anyone else in BT-Land who may be having just as hard a time as I have understanding all things really do begin, exist, have co-hesion, purpose, and end with God. Period.
For some that's a breeze, for others, it's the longest-hardest mountain in the path given the exposure we have today of what seems like end-less bad news and attempting to rationalize all of it with God's greater mercy and purpose for better. It's a hard course of study. And God bless'em if they exist cause I understand.
Hopefully it helps Ian, at the very least, since he asked questions.
gk
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Hey gk,
Can I throw something out that I think proves mankind does not have free will? You may have already considered it. If so just disregard what I'm saying.
The Scriptures say that there are none righteous, no not one. That all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. And other Scriptures that show all mankind have sinned.
I haven't met all mankind, but the ones I have met have all done some things wrong.
If man has free will, complete freedom to decide and choose to do good, then would not some men have made the free will choice to do good?
In fact, if there are two choices--1) do good, 2) do bad---then at random, wouldn't 50% of mankind freely decide to do good and the other 50% freely decide to do bad?
But since all of us have sinned, does that not prove that there is something else at work here? That we have been designed to sin? That it comes natural to us? And that we do not have the free will to decide to go against the grain and do good?
I stole the above ideas somewhere from Ray (my bad :D), but are not those ideas a compelling proof for no free will? What do you think?
John
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