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Intrusive thoughts...
Deborah-Leigh:
--- Quote ---Arcturus, people do not possess a 'neutral observer':
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I did not say that people POSSESS a neutral observer. To say such a thing is parallel to believing that Jesus or God is something to GET or to POSSESS!
Just because you can not see the sun in the night, doesn't mean it is not there....~ :D
If you disagree with something and if it doesn't go against the teachings here in BTF, then by all means ask, if you want to understand, for clarification. So as not to throw the Topic off course, the best place to ask is in the PM lines. ~ :)
Back on topic, intrusive thoughts can appear in all kinds of experiences. Just watching a movie can present intrusion or violation of what so ever things are lovely...Just watch TV news for instance. ~ ;)
Arc
Kat:
Hi Ian,
1Pe 5:8 Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.
Satan is spirit and invisible, he seeks to influence our minds. We have to fight to keep evil thoughts out of our mind so that they will not take root and develop into sinful words or deeds. But this is not a battle that we must fight alone, Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit indwelling is there for us.
Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
v. 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son:
We need to guard our thoughts, if we do not nip it in the bud it can ultimately lead to sin. So when we become aware that our thoughts are not positive/good, this should send up warning signals to us and we should disrupt those thought patterns promptly and change them to something positive/uplifting. If it is hard to get a thought out, seek God earnestly for help (pray works wonders for this), even having just a little change to stop those wrong thoughts is a step in the right direction. So always strive to cast aside wrong thoughts and keep up the fight to overcome and Satan will be force to leave you alone.
James 4:7 Therefore submit yourselves to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
It is indeed a spiritual battle of the mind we are in.
2Cor 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh.
v. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
v. 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
Here is a email on this subject.
http://bible-truths.com/email16.htm ---------------------------------------------
Last night, my daughter was having scary thoughts and asked me how to keep from having thoughts like that. I read 2 Corinthians 10:5 to her and she asked me what it means. I told her I would find out.
I myself am wondering what it means and how to take every though captive to the obedience of Christ. My wonderful daughter has a very fertile imagination which I know Satan can take advantage of.
Ruth
[Ray Replies]
Dear Ruth:
Thank you for your email and question.
II Cor. 10:5 is one of those ALL-ENCOMPASSING Scriptures that cannot be realized by following some magic formula or repeating some prayer, etc. Bringing every thought into the captivity of Jesus Christ requires a LIFETIME of overcoming and living by God's Spiritual Laws. Jesus also told us to "Be ye therefore PERFECT." Again, this is not something that is accomplished by reading the Scripture or following some short-term magical formula. It requires a lifetime of obeying God and living through our many trials and tribulations.
However, I do not wish to let you stranded with an impossible task for your daughter. The Scriptures also say that "As a person THINKS IN HIS HEART, so is he." Therefore THINK ABOUT GOOD AND PLEASANT THINGS. Even dreams "Come from an abundance of business" or whatever we think about most. Therefore, again, THINK ABOUT GOOD AND PLEASANT THINGS.
Notice what Paul himself tells us:
"Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, THINK ON THESE THINGS. Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me [Paul], DO; and the GOD OF PEACE SHALL BE WITH YOU." (Phil. 4:8-9).
I'll leave it up to you to put these terms into words your daughter understands.
God be with you,
Ray
GaryK:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on August 08, 2011, 04:17:32 AM ---He should also understand that Sovereign God doesn't expect him to be any different AT THIS MOMENT than he IS, because this is the way God has caused him to be. But just like the blind man healed by Jesus, He caused him to be this way for a greater purpose--to be healed to the Glory of God.
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Careful Dave, taking the --BT FOR DUMMIES-- approach like this……….could………… cause a quelling of nasty human rut-grounded guilt emotions that could then give rise to recognizing baby steps in the journey of comprehending that we are quite normal, as normal goes, in God’s eyes, even though our sinful nature bests us at times.
I.......would......just come right out and say a slight breakthrough of understanding that we will grow spiritually as God sees fit and no amount of kiniption fits on our part causes the slightest stir in his plan, but if I did that I would be admitting my kiniption fits are pointless. Can't have that, can we? ;D
Soul medicine, there-of.
But enough of my guilt.
--- Quote ---Sorry for preaching. I'm no stranger to what you are talking about.
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Nor am I, so you just keep on preaching preacherman.
Ian:
--- Quote ---The question of why someone would be upset about it confuses me a little. I'm not sure why someone who has thoughts about hurting someone should NOT be upset about it.
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Dave, I think you misunderstood that part of my question.
I'm talking about people who have bad thoughts, but are upset about having them (i.e., they're not trying to think these thoughts, they just come in their mind). Some people have anxiety after a bad thought, and dwell upon it (because they're so upset), causing them to think about it more.
For example, suppose it was taught in Christian circles that even thinking of murder is an "unpardonable" sin. Everyone who read or heard this statement will instantly think of murder.
Dave in Tenn:
He can still start in the same place by 'thinking about' whatsoever things are TRUE. His belief that even thinking of hurting someone is the 'unpardonable sin is simply NOT TRUE.
That's not the end of it, but it's a good place to start.
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