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Deuteronomy 21:18-21?
jeetkunejimi:
Hi guys,
I've been trying to put in to context recently this scripture below,
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
King James Version (KJV)
18If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
19Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
20And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
My brother Keith who is a Christian but who is in Christendom as a Pentecostal believes it shows without doubt that God is or can be a cruel God and therefore that He (God) would also create a hell for sinners to go to forever, because if He commands Israel to kill their wayward children then so can God kill all his wayward children. I've looked on Ray's site but as of yet nothing has jumped out on me.
Any help that anyone can give me scripturally to put this verse into context properly with the NT would be a great blessing for me and hopefully for my brother Keith.I'm still looking myself.
God bless,
Sincerely, Jimi.
Deborah-Leigh:
Exo 21:24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Exo 21:25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Exo 21:26 And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake.
Exo 21:27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.
Exo 21:28 If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit.
The above is not any more literal than the Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
The Scripture in Exodus and Matthew, is not meant to be taken physically, nor will any context found to make any Scripture literal, make it so either. ~ :)
Arc
JohnMichael:
Your brother has the doctrine of Hell as an idol of his heart, so he's going to use any passage of the bible where people died to show that God is the monster he really believes Him to be.
1Co 13:4 Love is patient and kind. Love knows neither envy nor jealousy. Love is not forward and self-assertive, nor boastful and conceited.
1Co 13:5 She does not behave unbecomingly, nor seek to aggrandize herself, nor blaze out in passionate anger, nor brood over wrongs.
1Co 13:6 She finds no pleasure in injustice done to others, but joyfully sides with the truth.
1Co 13:7 She knows how to be silent. She is full of trust, full of hope, full of patient endurance.
1Co 13:8 Love never fails. But if there are prophecies, they will be done away with; if there are languages, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be brought to an end.
1Co 13:9 For our knowledge is imperfect, and so is our prophesying;
1Co 13:10 but when the perfect state of things is come, all that is imperfect will be brought to an end.
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, felt like a child, reasoned like a child: when I became a man, I put from me childish ways.
1Co 13:12 For the present we see things as if in a mirror, and are puzzled; but then we shall see them face to face. For the present the knowledge I gain is imperfect; but then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
1Co 13:13 And so there remain Faith, Hope, Love--these three; and of these the greatest is Love.
1Jn 4:8 He who is destitute of love has never had any knowledge of God; because God is love.
If your brother tries to refute that, it may be best to stop talking with him about the Truth because his heart is not yet ready (at this time).
I hope this helps.
In Him,
John
Kat:
Hi Jimi,
One thing that strikes me is in Deuteronomy, that was in a time long ago that maybe we don't even understand completely how a person was given a death sentence. Maybe it was not as simple as just a couple of verses have it. But regardless that Scripture does state that a they should put that person to death. We know that those that die in this life will live again in the resurrection of the dead and will have life in the next age, surely to be a better life. But to say "therefore that He (God) would also create a hell for sinners to go to forever" a place of endless and constant torture and torment and suffering can in any way compare to putting someone to death is the height of blasphemy. There's no comparison at all in those two things there.
In a conversation I would not want to listen to someone blasphemy God, whether they knew/believed the truth or not. At the very least I would just have to say you believe in a different God than I.
Isa 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!
v. 21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, and shrewd in their own sight!
Mat 6:22 `The lamp of the body is the eye, if, therefore, thine eye may be perfect, all thy body shall be enlightened,
v. 23 but if thine eye may be evil, all thy body shall be dark; if, therefore, the light that is in thee is darkness--the darkness, how great!
v. 24 `None is able to serve two lords, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will hold to the one, and despise the other; ye are not able to serve God and Mammon.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: jeetkunejimi on August 08, 2011, 03:58:12 AM ---Any help that anyone can give me scripturally to put this verse into context properly with the NT would be a great blessing for me and hopefully for my brother Keith.I'm still looking myself.
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If your brother is willing, print out 2 copies of Ray's paper 'Hell is a Christian Hoax' (http://bible-truths.com/23-minutes-in-hell.html) and go over it together.
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