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Deuteronomy 21:18-21?
River:
Hi..I just came from looking at another post and there seems to be some tension and then I figured I better let everyone know that I am not looking for a fight with my responses. So to Dave In Tenn and John from Kentucky, we are good right? ;D Thanks for letting me share. Blessed are the peacemakers right? ;)
DougE6:
Our perspective is much different than God's. God sees the end from the beginning, God can kill and make alive again. God can do things we cannot. He is the Lord. He can take everything from Job, even His kids, and then restore Job, to make a point, a point that billions of people will see and respect for millenia later. It is the small minded and cruel themselves, that cannot see beyond these things. God really isn't too wporried about anyone's temporary opinion of Him. Their opinions will become properly adjusted in due time! The point that we all die is well taken. What does it matter if God decided to cut short someones life in the span of billions of years of life to come? It only freaks out people who have no REAL faith in God, have only this mortal life in view; who have NO real faith in that God can be completely good and just and yet do things that are forbidden to us. God made some very strict rules back then. John from Kentucky is correct that those rules have meaning and wisdome, as they are in effect, communicating something to us beyond the mere death of transfressors. The problem is the carnal mind thinks it can sit in judgement of God or it thinks it can assume things about God that are in keeping with the assumptions of the wicked hearts behind the carnal minds. People hearts that are wicked enough to be OK with eternal punishment, how can it be any surprise that they can have a take on these laws that justify their wicked belief? Whereas to the pure, to those who both love righteousness and know Gods true heart, can see past these in the light of eternity, trivial judgements, and not think God is cruel and a torture monger.
Kat:
Hi River,
--- Quote ---The idea that if you can kill someone and they will live again one day with a better attitude is way out. Sounds a lot like the fear of hell will set you straight idea. Or how about convert to our religion or be killed. I often notice how those who hate crime or rage at a injustice become worse than the persons they are upset with.
--- End quote ---
I agree with Doug on this, and I just like to point to a few Scriptures concerning it.
Deu 4:14 And Jehovah commanded me (Moses) at that time to teach you statutes and judgments so that you might do them in the land where you go over to possess it.
Deu 12:1 These are the statutes and judgments which you shall be careful to do in the land which Jehovah, the God of your fathers gives you to possess it, all the days that you live upon the earth.
Deu 26:16 Today Jehovah your God has commanded you to do these statutes and judgments. You therefore shall keep and do them with all your heart and with all your soul.
It says Jehovah through Moses is where these laws came from. It says "God commanded" this as a statutes before and after it was given, so it is kind of bookended in there as from God. All life is given to live on this earth for the time that God sees fit.
Job 1:21 And he said, I came naked out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return there. Jehovah gave, and Jehovah has taken away. Blessed be the name of Jehovah.
God is doing a work at this time according to His perfect wisdom, and really whatever lifetime that we have on this earth at this time is so minuscule compared to what is to come.
James 4:14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.
That we can not clearly understand or phantom exactly how and why God is working things out the way He does is no surprise...
Isa 55:8 For My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor your ways My ways, says Jehovah.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
JohnMichael:
Just to concur with what Doug and Kat have said:
Mankind sees the physical as constant and the spiritual as temporary - from OUR perspective because we live and breathe in the flesh (the physical). However, the opposite is actually the Truth. The spiritual is the constant, and the physical is only temporary.
(WNT)
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit which gives Life. The flesh confers no benefit whatever. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and are Life.
Mar 13:31 Earth and sky will pass away, but it is certain that my words will not pass away.
Jas 4:14 when, all the while, you do not even know what will happen to-morrow. For what is the nature of your life? Why, it is but a mist, which appears for a short time and then is seen no more.
Hope this helps.
In Him,
John
onelovedread:
jeetkunejimi
Being killed and being tortured without dying are 2 distinctly different things - apples to oranges.
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