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Luke 23:34 - Ray's comments added, last post
bluzman:
I'd kinda like to say something here. Before I fell over Bible Truths and Ray Smith on the internet, I didn't realize that after 40 years of wandering around blind, couldn't see my hand in front of my face, and that I never knew my state of carnality. At this moment I don't know how much weaker the beast that is within me is. I believe that all men, except Christ, are born with this character flaw and will die with it. How strong this hatred within me or how much it has been weakened is totally up to God. Even the Elect, IMO, will still have some more purging, howbeit a lot less that most of humanity. I have tried many many times to improve my mind, of my own will, but I never fail to get to first base. The right circumstances arise and there It is, seems just as strong as ever. Maybe only for a few minutes or even seconds, but I look back and say damn, and don't think that I have been bettered by very much from what I was years ago. Sad but true. Bluzman
Ps. I do not believe in Free Will but that doesn't stop me from trying it out, and I can only see this when I am able to look back.
DougE6:
hi John... the question and your post in the question about square circles give my an idea :) OK I am a traveler. I start at the north pole and I proceed in a direct line, due south, down a line of longitude, to the equator. Then I take a right angle turn, a 90 degree turn, due west. I go 1/4 of the circumference of the earth, on the equator. I stop. The I take a 90 degree turn, due north, up a line of longitude, and a end up back at the north pole, but at 90 degrees, a right angle, from where I started.
What does this have to do with our discussion, and the square circle question? Well from my perspective, as the traveller, I have made (3) 90 degree turns, or 270 degrees, in my complete journey to the north pole and back. But form another perspective, I simply did a triangle! Triangles have only 180 degrees! But this particular triangle, being circumscribed on the earth, actually from my point of view, as the traveller, contained 270 degrees!
On can argue and argue and would be correct, that triangles only contain 180 degrees. Kind of like your position on Gods Sovereignity. But from my perspective, as the traveller, I did 270 degrees on my journey! So who is right? depends. Are we talking theory or the real life experience. Myself, growing in Christ demands that I look at life from the point of view of the traveller. Of course I have great comfort that God is arranging and steering and placing all things according to His will. And without HIM I can do nothing. But in the very real road that I am travelling, God leads me to climb mountains or cross valleys sometimes, and do things that I cannot do. Sometimes God takes us places when all the theory is gone and we need to weep before Him and beg His help, even if we KNOW He is not going to one thing different than He already decided, and He is even motivating my petitions themselves. So for me, my journey has 270 degrees. Someone else can argue the book knowledge that triangles have 180 degrees. But for me, to live in the real world, I must always give my best for God. I have a different temperment than you. Your outlook has much to merit it. So does mine. I will never see eye to eye with your perspective in this life, and I doubt you will mine. But like that square circle question, and because I love science and relativity and the like, I wanted to just illustrate how two people can have two diiferent perspectives and both be right, though I do not feel your perspective is as correct in reach as you think it is, and likewise, I am sure my perspective has glaring errors too.
DougE6:
Hi Bluzman. Keep the faith. Don't become discouraged. Sometimes realizing the extent of our weakness is vital before God begins to rescue us. But to realize the extent of your weakness, your need to try and fail. We all can relate to what you are saying. Yet I can assure that God has done great changes in me, sometimes after a long desert time. But thirst is an absolute prerequiste to His work. ( I am not going to get into yes I know the thirst comes from God even if that is true, why talk about that, we don't know when He will move, this is all about seeking Him) Please keep your thirst for God and the things of God. Pursue righteousness. Beg God to change you. Plead with Him to change you. I promise, He will. Doug
cjwood:
--- Quote from: DougE6 on August 24, 2011, 08:59:45 PM ---
... Are we talking theory or the real life experience?
--- Quote from: DougE6 on August 24, 2011, 09:11:09 PM ---
... Please keep your thirst for God and the things of God. Pursue righteousness. Beg God to change you. Plead with Him to change you.
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the bolded statements above are what stuck out for me. that was the "sermon" (lesson) for my heart.
claudia
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Marky Mark:
--- Quote ---I didn't answer your questions because I don't want to argue. I get bored easily.
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I thought my questions were fair questions concerning where the context of the conversation was heading. Seeing that this is a forum I thought maybe you would want to respond. My intentions were not to argue with you or bore you. Sometimes it is better to eat at home.
Peace to you John...
1Co 11:33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.
1Co 11:34 And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.
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